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Comments

Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

http://jezebel.com/french-police-try-to-track-down-a-rapist-with-mass-dna-1563091787/all

It's okay to take the DNA of hundreds of men because one of them might be a rapist. Only teh menz and MRAs would think this is not okay.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

It's Jezebel. What do you expect?

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[comradesmiler]

Hail The Smiler.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Link me a screenshot of it because I refuse to increase the traffic to jezebel.com and make them more money.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[ill_omened]

Damn it.

Who refers to suspects as 'perps'. Nearly as bad as 'johns'.

Nobody talks like that, knock that shit off.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[the_missing_y]

It's okay to take the DNA of hundreds of men because one of them might be a rapist

I don't entirely disagree. I mean, does giving DNA harm the person? If not, why would anyone really have a problem helping to put away rapists?

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

In large scale systematic ways which if you're unironically asking that question you're not really fit to understand.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[the_missing_y]

Maybe, but I might be more fit to understand than you give me credit for. I may also be capable of changing my mind if suitably persuaded. Try me. I ask: would you not let someone swab your cheek if it would help catch a terrible human being who had hurt an innocent? What are you harmed? Is this harm great enough that you'd rather let a... child molester (for example) carry on?

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

It seems to me that one should combat ignorance, not reinforce it by saying, "you are too ignorant to be capable of relieving yourself of ignorance."

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

It's a civil liberties issue. There are, or should be, limits on how much scope the government should have to monitor and control citizens of a country, even if there were no abuse possible of the information. The default should be "the government does not have the right to this information". Because, essentially, we should be free people as much as that's possible.

In the same way that I would not be okay with EG the government recording all phone conversations or recording everyone in society's movements at all times, even if I knew that the information would never be abused, I'm not really okay with this. Yes, it's in pursuit of putting away rapists, which is a good thing, but the scope seems far too broad.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Even if they aren't keeping the records after? The article I read (I think it was BBC) said that once a person is cleared so will his file.

And the scope is "everyone who was in the school at the time". How is that too broad?

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[honk]

so hundreds/thousands of people having dna samples taken is more of a violation of human rights to you than someone being sexually assaulted?? differences in numbers aside you have to compare the violations here

their taking of dna samples is a response, and one i personally find appropriate. i agree that people deserve their liberties but one of these dudes violated the express freedoms of the survivor in a way that simply doesnt compare to their own

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[whositwhatsit]

It's a huge problem, potentially. Among the reasons:

a) Governments do not always do what they are supposed to do, so even promises to get rid of the info once someone is "cleared" is no guarantee that that actually happens.
b) DNA testing is not actually infallible, must as TV would sometimes lead one to believe otherwise.
c) There is potential for one's DNA to be in the wrong place at the wrong time for COMPLETELY innocent reasons and for that to turn into a wrongful conviction.
d) While totally aware that this is a French case in question, at least from a U.S.-based, 4th amendment perspective, one's DNA is part of one's bodily sanctity and thus protected against unreasonable search and seizure, meaning that the burden is on the GOVERNMENT to meet a certain threshold of cause before being permitted to violate that without an individual's permission. I happen to believe that this is an important protection for people against the government even if a person has never and will never do anything that would make it an issue. I don't know enough about French law to know if this is prosecutorial overrreach or completely within the realm of acceptable actions as far as the current legal framework.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[tasogare_n_hime]

First of all I just want to admit that I did not follow the link to read anything there. I just wanted to reply to your comment:

It's okay to take the DNA of hundreds of men because one of them might be a rapist. Only teh menz and MRAs would think this is not okay.

I've always though if there was some kind of database I could voluntarily submit a DNA sample to I'd actually like to do that. Just in case something terrible happened and they needed DNA to identify my remains, or there was some kind of medical issue having my DNA on file would help.(Would that even be possible I don't really know anything about it?) Is that bad or wrong for some reason?

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

You can voluntarily do whatever the heck you want with your own DNA. That doesn't give the cops the right to do random sweeps.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[honk]

id much rather ~violate these dudes rights to not submit to a dna test than let a rapist walk free, hands down. get samples of every dude in the city if thats what it takes

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Look, it's like racial profiling at airports. It's ridiculous. The cops in question should investigate the crime instead of, yeah, violating innocent people's rights.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[honk]

racial profiling is ineffective

they already investigated the crime & are having trouble matching dna to that found on the survivor

which is why they are expanding their investigation by demanding dna testing of every possible person who could have been present when the girl was assaulted

frankly if most of these dudes dont have alibis then theyre considered suspects & the police are doing the right thing by treating them as such

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[darkmanifest]

Yeah...can't say I like that. Not because lol men, but because the thought of it being mandatory for everyone in a very large and general pool of people to submit DNA samples without specific probable cause (they were seen with the victim shortly before/after the attack, they were present at the location where the assault took place and fit the description, something like that) deeply disturbs me, probably because I'm an extreme proponent of bodily autonomy and that is all kinds of "fuck no" for me. I'm also willing to bet that the mass subpoenas would have been a lot harder to get when dealing with a campus full of adults, but the rights of minors get trampled on as a rule.

Also, lol at "we'll totally get rid of the samples once the bad guy's caught, you can trust us". Hahaha okay.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

This is exactly how I feel about it.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with basically everything you are saying. (Also, as a minor, thank you for mentioning that as a factor.)

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, what makes me the most uncomfortable about this is the fact that they're all kids. I wouldn't agree with it if they were adults either, but we're talking about minors here.

Ask them to voluntarily submit DNA samples, sure. Hell, I wouldn't even care if they required fingerprinting. But I don't like the idea of forcing kids to submit DNA, especially when the only reason anyone has to suspect them is that they happen to go to the same school. It sets an extremely sketchy precedent.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I have mixed feelings towards that idea. On one hand - yes. It would be something I, on a personal level, would do if it would help catch someone if I was asked, or it would clear my name*. On the other hand...I can see where this can become a huge privacy issue, and why a lot of people/groups are concerned about the power it could give governments.

*I'll also admit, I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't to clear their name, unless it was a mass search like that article.

Re: Sasuga Jezebel

[(Anonymous)]

Or people who don't trust the police or think that the police will use the DNA for reasons other then what they say.