[ SECRET POST #2664 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2664 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

as a game developer people pretending that playing a game is the same as watching the game make me sad.



just like playing football is the same as watching football i guess?


anyway i'm on your side :( i don't mind people claiming to be fans of something they only have watched let's plays of, but at least recognise that it's not the same and give it a shot.

additionally if you enjoyed watching that game that much, maybe think of a way to support the game in other ways.

[(Anonymous)]

quite frankly with how shit the writing in games tends to be that really surprises me.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Ugh, no. They were saying when the gameplay is bad, just watching will let you experience the story better because you're not distracted by your feelings of annoyance. So gameplay isn't always the most important component because in some cases, it is the worst part of a game. The discussion is only weird because you're reading something completely different into it.

[(Anonymous)]

Though I do honestly think sometimes the game play in Uncharted got in the way of the story. Most of it was fine, but some of the fight scenes were just too fucking long and drawn out with so many bad guys it just started to crack my willing suspension of disbelief.

[(Anonymous)]

As a game developer, you should be more concerned with not creating games with gameplay so bad it makes people wish they'd just watched an LP instead.

[(Anonymous)]

uh, yes? i'm pretty sure no one deliberately creates games with bad gameplay to keep people from enjoying the story? that's a bit of an odd demand.



unless you're worried that i'm spending my free time here forming opinions on stuff people say instead of by being concerned about my job? that'd just be rude.

[feotakahari]

To try to explain what I think the previous anon was getting at, there's this game called Fragile Dreams that's about the frustration and loneliness of an apocalypse survivor. It does some things right, and I think it's worth watching an LP of it, but I wouldn't recommend playing it. It tries to create a feeling of boredom in the player, and that's simply bad art.

There's a longstanding recommendation to skip the boring ending of Huckleberry Finn. Skipping the boring parts of a game is similar, a reclamation of the audience's right to consume media as WE see fit, not as the artist sees fit. It's a different experience, and that's the whole point, because it doesn't have to be as tooth-gnashing as the creator planned it to be.

[(Anonymous)]

i know what they were getting at. what i was getting at was that they were being a dick about it and i'm not having that passive-aggressive bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Sometimes when I hear creators talk about how gameplay intentionally invokes feelings of boredom and/or frustration in the player to emphasize the story, I can't tell if they're just covering their asses for fucking up their game, or if they actually believe this is an approach that has merit. If it's the latter, it's an ass backward view and those folks are clearly to full of themselves to remember what their job actually is.

Granted, a small section in a larger game with that kind of gameplay could theoretically work, if you mean to contrast it with the rest of the (fun to play) game. But if your entire game is like this... well, try to market it like that, a game that "intentionally invokes boredom and frustration", and see how far your art gets you.

[inthecorner]

OH god Fragile Dreams. Man, for a game all about exploration, it really discouraged you from exploring by putting everything reaaaally far away. And the combat sucked. And by god, why did they put so many long ladders when you climb so sloooo-

Oh, uh, yeah. Fragile Dreams is really one of those games I would suggest watching a lets play as well, as the gameplay can be quite an effort to get through, and not in the good way.

Another game I would suggest would be Rule of Roses. Very interesting story, but the game designers tried to replicate SH2 in all the wrong ways and the fact it's around 80 dollars.

[msboring27]

I watched my sister plays Rule of Roses and enjoyed it a lot, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get over 30 minutes by myself

[(Anonymous)]

I... don't think that's the best comparison? I know I have way more fun watching competitive sports than I do participating in them, and I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way.

[(Anonymous)]

but where did i claim that one is more fun than the other? please don't strawman me.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, but you see, there are some people out there who are not gamers, but still wish to enjoy the product you've created in some capacity.

Like me? My depth perception is wonky, and I have bad reflexes. I also get upset/frustrated easily. So trying to play most games (outside of things like "Animal Crossing") are just an exercise in frustration.

But if I hear people getting excited over a game for its story, I'd like to enjoy that part. And good "Let's Play"ers help you feel engrossed in the game in a good way.

If game developers made games that I could play, they would be far too simple for your main demographic. So I take what I can get. :)

[(Anonymous)]

that's perfectly fine, as i was saying! there's lots of ways to enjoy a medium and each is equally valid. that's definitely not what i'm objecting to. what i'm objecting to is claiming that watching someone play something is the same as playing it yourself.

(i'm sorry i'm probably repeating myself but i have the feeling a lot of people in this thread read my comment as me saying that playing a game is more fun than watching it. not comparing one to the other is actually really my point :/ i think it's because people who mainly watch let's plays get flak from "gamers" for not being real fans and feel very defensive about it, so they make that claim? it's such a ridiculous feud, we all love the same thing!)


also totalbiscuits review of "long live the queen" made me start playing and enjoy it, so i'm the last person to underestimate the power of good let's players.