[ SECRET POST #2664 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2664 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.


__________________________________________________



08.


__________________________________________________



09.


__________________________________________________



10.


__________________________________________________



11.










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 075 secrets from Secret Submission Post #381.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"how dare you watch the movies instead of reading the comics"
"how dare you watch the anime instead of reading the manga"
"you read this classic novel in graphic novel format? philistine"

A story's a story.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Your Grand Canyon example doesn't work for me, because there are plenty of places that I *have* visited where I could imagine easily what it was like to be there, got there, and got exactly what I expected. I've personally never been surprised or awed by things like that. Things met expectations.

I don't think you *necessarily* lose out on much if you watch an LP, see what the gameplay is like, and have an imagination.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, I think watching a good, extensive LP would give a person "more" from a game than your watching a movie of the Grand Canyon example. This is more like... I like the Grand Canyon but hate hiking, so I charter a helicopter to fly me over it instead. I got what I wanted -- to see the Canyon -- but I didn't have to put up with the hassle that hiking there would have given me.

[(Anonymous)]

*eyeroll* false equivalency

[(Anonymous)]

Cry moar. Tell us how terribly, terribly heartbroken you are that someone isn't playing a video game.

[(Anonymous)]

...it's a video game. I've played games with good stories but horrid gameplay. In that case how is the boredom and frustration supposed enhance my enjoyment of the story?

[(Anonymous)]

Spoken like someone who's never played a bad game. I've played plenty of games I will happily warn other people to stick to LPs of.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you. I prioritize the story in games, and LPs usually don't do it for me because sometimes they leave out some interactions, or go down paths that don't reveal aspects of the story that I'd like to see. I'll admit I do watch LPs for certain games, where I didn't have much interest in shelling out cash for it or tried and the gameplay didn't suit me, but there's a very different feel to playing vs watching. I would even say, as someone who spent years watching their brother play games rather than play them themselves, that watching in real time is vastly different. I feel it's more on an autonomy kind of thing. I like to be the one in control, and able to have some say in what's happening.
Obviously this doesn't hold true to everyone, but hey. Different strokes.

[(Anonymous)]

as a game developer people pretending that playing a game is the same as watching the game make me sad.



just like playing football is the same as watching football i guess?


anyway i'm on your side :( i don't mind people claiming to be fans of something they only have watched let's plays of, but at least recognise that it's not the same and give it a shot.

additionally if you enjoyed watching that game that much, maybe think of a way to support the game in other ways.

[(Anonymous)]

As a game developer, you should be more concerned with not creating games with gameplay so bad it makes people wish they'd just watched an LP instead.

[(Anonymous)]

I... don't think that's the best comparison? I know I have way more fun watching competitive sports than I do participating in them, and I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, but you see, there are some people out there who are not gamers, but still wish to enjoy the product you've created in some capacity.

Like me? My depth perception is wonky, and I have bad reflexes. I also get upset/frustrated easily. So trying to play most games (outside of things like "Animal Crossing") are just an exercise in frustration.

But if I hear people getting excited over a game for its story, I'd like to enjoy that part. And good "Let's Play"ers help you feel engrossed in the game in a good way.

If game developers made games that I could play, they would be far too simple for your main demographic. So I take what I can get. :)

[feotakahari]

You've just helped me explain my issue with how so many RPGs handle stories. I honestly don't think there's a difference between the experience of playing Final Fantasy IV's narrative sections and the experience of reading them, and while that's improved a lot in more recent games, I still don't often feel that playing the game is sufficiently different from reading the game to justify my purchase. (For reference, I think Dragon Age 2 is a game you can't just read, because the player is given different but equally meaningful ways to interact with party members.)

OP, with good news!

[(Anonymous)]

I have, since the secret was submitted, found a used copy of the game for $5 (thank you, bargain bin). I figured that I could afford five bucks even if I never played it and bought it. The gameplay is kind of tedious, but in a tolerable way. The game also has honestly ridiculous amounts of loading (the version I got is a PSP port, apparently it's a known problem of the console), but I've been playing it in my spare time and enjoying it.

I hope you are less sad now.

Re: OP, with good news!

[(Anonymous)]

it's not like i want to push people into the wrong behavior or anything but all psps can be safely softmodded now. you could have played it for free if paying for it was really the bigger problem of moving on from a lp... when it comes to used games it's not exactly a point of the money going to the dev anymore so.

i've done that with many games and ended up becoming a big participant in fandom. once i was committed then i would put money into it. though ngl, most of the ones i love are expensive, rare rpgs with small fandoms lol.

idk personally i love gaming too much so even a tedious game would push me to finish it for that point, because it does color your experience when you watch someone else doing it. the emotive stuff may not hit you the same way, or you might associate bad jokes with stuff other people took seriously, etc. it should be your own experience that shapes how you view and participate in the fandom. a clean one. especially if you're doing fandom works. just my opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

You're correct but I know from experience that pointing out how vastly different these experiences are will result in a metric shitton of butthurt from those who do more watching than playing (though they'll pretend othewise right now for argument's sake even if they have stated otherwise in the past). The whole player versus nonplayer thing got pretty heated in the dmc fandom,as it was painfully obvious from their writing or take on the game which was which. RE is similar.

[caerbannog]

If they enjoyed the LP, the characters and the stories I don't see how it's such a big deal. Mostly baffled that you can't articulate any sadness over this, it's hardly that sad. LP's are just a new medium to enjoy existing content, I doubt they've missed too much by ways of immediate game interaction.

If OP plays games for stories and characters and through the LP, this need has been filled, then the fact they don't meet your quote for an "actual experience" is irrelevant?

IDK I'm beginning to get really irritated at how judgmental people get over other's watching a LP, the watchers aren't actually missing out on much at all.