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[ SECRET POST #2698 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2698 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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06. [SPOILERS for Captain America: The Winter Soldier]
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07. [SPOILERS for Godzilla 2014]
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08. [SPOILERS for Wreck-it Ralph]
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09. [WARNING for rape]
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10. [WARNING for rape]
[Daughter of Smoke and Bone]
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Homestuck shipping
(Anonymous) 2014-05-23 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)- Is the diamond one platonic or romantic? I've seen people say both.
- Someone said all the ships were monogamous but what about the OT3 one? It's kind of by definition not monogamous if there are three people in it. Are all three equally involved with each other, or is it just one person in a relationship with two and those two aren't also in a relationship with each other?
- I've seen people say the traditional "love" one and the hatesex one are considered romantic and the other two are platonic, but then I've also seen people say all four are romantic. Which is it?
- How can hatesex be romantic? My mind automatically goes to people who are just fucking but aren't actually in a relationship and in fact hate each other. Or are they actually in a relationship, it's just a fucked up/dysfunctional/unhealthy one?
I know have other questions but those are the only ones I can think of at the moment. Help, Homestuck fans?
Re: Homestuck shipping
Re: Homestuck shipping
(Anonymous) 2014-05-24 12:21 am (UTC)(link)They're monogamous except for the three-person one, that's bigamous. And it's not uncommon to ship other than that.
The diamond and the three-person one are platonic for us but considered romantic in-universe.
It's controversial.
Hope that helps!
Re: Homestuck shipping
(Anonymous) 2014-05-24 12:28 am (UTC)(link)--All four are considered romantic, but don't all have to do with sex. The sex quadrants (heart and spade) are described as concupiscent, versus the conciliatory diamond and spade.
--The three-person one, the clubs quadrant, is the hardest to understand and makes the least amount of sense. However, it's not OT3. It's two people who are both sexually attracted to each other and hostile to each other, and a third person who steps in and keeps things sex-free. This is still considered romantic.
--It's a vocab thing. The human relationships most similar to the diamond and clubs quadrants are considered platonic, but all troll quadrant relationships are considered romantic.
--One way of looking at it is a sexy rivalry. Or, people who hate each other but are also obsessed with each other. It's not a healthy relationship by human standards, but trolls are really weird.
Re: Homestuck shipping
The OT3 is the Auspistice, or ashen quadrant. Let me just quote from the homestuck wiki: "An auspistice is a "facilitator" of some sort between two others, mediating interactions between them and keeping their relationship functional. Unlike the other quadrants, ashen feelings have only been shown and have suggested to be only felt by the auspistice and not the two parties in the mediated relationship. It may be permissible for a troll to be involved in more than one ashen triad at a time." SO BASICALLY the only person feeling anything during an ashen relationship is the auspistice, the one who facilitates between two other people who hate each other.
...a relationship can be both romantic and platonic. So. The matespritship (the love one) and the kismesissitude (the hate one) are typically sexual. The moirallegiance and the auspistice are typically not sexual, from what I've seen, and the auspistice doesn't really seem that much like a romance.
Kismessitudes work because trolls run on two emotions; hate and pity. So they have someone they can hate and hurt and fuck but a healthy kismessitude has each giving and recieving each other's hate. SO. Yeah.
I have no idea id this is helpful. I've actually not really been into homestuck for a while but the romance quadrants were definitely my favorite part tbh. XD
Re: Homestuck shipping
-The clubs relationship is about one person keeping two other people from being too volatile and devolving into a hateship that'll just crash and burn. Or if one person is feeling love and the other is feeling hate, or they're both wavering between the two.
-Hateships are romantic because trolls are aliens. Also because the ideal troll hateship is more of an extremely passionate rivalry where you want the other person to suffer but still be alive and willing to make you suffer in turn at the end of the day. If you actually want the other person dead, it's not an ideal relationship. It's not at all healthy in human terms, but they're aliens and their culture is far more violent in general than ours.
A lot of it boils down to trolls are aliens, tbh.
Re: Homestuck shipping
Re: Homestuck shipping
First of all, troll romance is kind of the romance version of Blue and Orange Morality. It's kind of impossible to explain because their attractions and desires don't really line up with ours. Their biology is different. What's healthy and dysfunctional for them isn't what would be the same for humans.
Additionally, the best reference to use is the webcomic itself. Here is where AH introduces the concept of troll romance, and the page right after is where he explains it. The next 7 or 8 pages go into each quadrant in some detail and talk a little bit about how they interact.
Here's my perspective, at least, on answering your questions:
1. It's romantic. They are all romantic, as trolls experience romance. Comparing moirallegiance to a very close platonic human friendship sort of works because it's the closest thing we have to
a relationship like that. But for the trolls, it IS romantic. Headcanons vary on how much physical contact is involved (anything from hand-holding to cuddling to non-makeout-y-kissing) but it's not a sexual relationship.
Sometimes people jokingly call their close friends "moirails"; I and my best friend do this. But when we use it that way we mean it in a strictly platonic sense. Moirails trust each other deeply, keep each other in check, and help each other with their romantic quadrants, and some of those relationship qualities translate into a human relationship without the romance.
2. I think when they mean "monogamous", they mean that they're usually closed relationships. You only have one moirail, one matesprit, and one kismesis. If you had a kismesis, and then had hate!sex with someone else, you'd be cheating on your kismesis (but not on your matesprit). So in a sense trolls aren't monogamous because a troll with filled quadrants has two sexual partners, but in completely different contexts. Auspisticism is weird and not really well-explained here. Your auspistice is, I think, the troll you're in a non-romantic hateful/rival relationship with with a third troll mediating. I'm not sure if that third troll is also considered to have that quadrant "filled". I would say possibly, though, like maybe which role you're likely to play in this relationship is dependent on your personality? And it's not technically monogamous but it possible to cheat on your auspistice/mediator/mediatee/whatever. Yeah, this is the hardest one to understand for sure.
3. They're all romantic, but only flushed (matespritship) and caliginous (kismesissitude) relationships are sexual.
4. It's romantic in a totally different sense than we imagine it. (Most) trolls don't have "love!sex" either, the positive end of their emotional spectrum is said to be pity. (However their are canon examples, or at least one example, of trolls experiencing love. Also, it's heavily implied that SPOILERS
SPOILERS - trolls are supposed to have been capable of having loving relationships more like ours, but their universe got kind of fucked up.
/spoilers
Also, it's not dysfunctional to them. Their hateful, rivalry-driven, romantic/sexual relationship is totally normal and healthy to them.
Re: Homestuck shipping
Trolls consider all 4 quadrants to be romantic. Humans, only matespritism (the heart).
Leprechaun romance is an even more absurd expansion of the concept - so ridiculous he never even finished expanding upon it. One troll considers it OMG-The-Greatest-Thing which is probably a joke about how much of the readership responded to troll romance. (Which I think is cool, but trying to apply it to humans is, by definition, doomed to fail, since humans aren't trolls.)