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You are correct about one thing: It is a tradeoff of risks.

And it's my tradeoff to make.

And I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

That's a nonsense point though.

We know how likely it is to help you, compared to how likely it is to help you, and the odds are unbelieveably stacked against you.

Possessing it puts it into play.

The odds are stacked against me anyway. Sam Colt called his gun "The Great Equalizer." You would leave me completely defenseless, so thanks for that, I guess.

I think I'd rather take advice from my husband, who actually loves me and cares about my well-being, than some stranger on the internet from a country where the cops don't even carry guns (judging from your spelling).

Plenty of our cops carry guns, and are a radio away, but that's not really relevant.

What's relevant is the fact that trained professionals will give the exact same advice, what you're doing is a terrible idea, and is significantly more likely to hurt you then to help you. This is non-negotiable.

Ah, yes. When seconds count, the cops are minutes away!

Oh, bullshit, "non-negotiable." Trained professionals in your country, maybe. Cops on the street in mine? Different story. My brother-in-law is a cop. He loves concealed-carry holders. So do most cops: http://thearmsguide.com/4248/concealed-carry-what-do-police-think/

Hell, I got pulled over a few weeks ago for doing 67 in a 50. I handed over my license and my concealed-carry permit and said "I have a CC permit, but I'm not carrying today." He thanked me for telling him that and let me off two minutes later with a warning. It was the shortest traffic stop I've ever had.

You are just regurgitating NRA slogans at this point. There's a reason that almost no officers get shot, and it's not because there aren't tens of thousands of firearms incidents a year in London.

And I'm talking about trained educated proffesionals, not some random ass swat officers or beat cops in a country which lionises the lone gun slinging vigilante.

...wow. SWAT cops aren't "trained educated professionals" in your view? Where do you get your information? Movies?

And I'm not "regurgitating NRA slogans," you said yourself that they're "a radio call away." Just how long does that take in your world, sunshine? Seconds, or minutes?

I would rather live in a country that lionizes the lone gunman vigilante where I have the right to self-defense than a country that jails people for defending themselves instead of waiting for the cops to show up, perhaps too late to do anything but process the body and the crime scene.

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One time I got pulled over for speeding and I was late for work, so I told the cop "sorry, I'm late for work" and he let me off shortly afterwards with a just warning.

Conclusion: cops love people who are late for work.

I was at the airport, where they take speeding super-seriously. Seventeen over the limit? Come on, I was begging for a ticket and I have never had a traffic stop that short.

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Cops love polite people. You wanna know how to beat a ticket a good 75% of the time. Be polite and have your documents to hand. Just not having to deal with a torrent of abuse from some arrogant, self-serving asshole who got stopped is a cop's dream. Politeness and documents to hand will give most cops you meet reason enough to let you off with a warning.

As for the "I have a gun, but not carrying today": Well you ever hear a grandmother say "that's nice dear" to a grandkid who is prattling on about pooing in the big girl potty? The' cop's "thank's for telling me" is just a cop's way of saying "that's nice dear, now pull your panties up and go away".

Learn to read. I told him that I have a concealed carry permit but that I wasn't carrying. I handed over the permit with my license.

Because, surprise, that's what they told us to do in the class I took to get the thing.

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Cops love polite people.

This.

I once got pulled over, the only time I got pulled over, and I was fucking nervous as hell. But I did everything right, I had my hands on the steering wheel the whole time and I was polite to the cop. He could probably tell I was super nervous too.

I got pulled over for doing 87 in a 65. I should have had my license pulled on the spot. But he gave me a warning and sent me on my way. No special permits or licenses required.

LOL.

Cops loving CC holders. I'm dying here.

Sam Colt called his gun "The Great Equalizer."

Welcome to the wonderful world of Sales, Marketing, and PR. Connection to reality: optional.

You would leave me completely defenseless No, it would merely take away the illusion of defense. You already are, for all practical purposes, defenseless. What you have is the dangerous illusion that you aren't, which may give you undue confidence and lead you into dangerous situations that you would otherwise avoid. Guns don't kill people, a false sense of security kills people.

Oh, okay, so you're in the "lie back and think of England" camp and can be safely ignored.

Translation: I have no real rebuttal to that, so I'll wander away now.

No, actually: Translation: I don't need to rebut an "argument" that's stupid on the face of it.

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And boom goes the dynamite.

No, that was Alfred Nobel who came up with dynamite not Colt.

Dude, we've had words before, and I think you're still of the totally incorrect opinion that I just have to be a ghost, cos there's no way (according to you) that I should've walked away from the two serious altercations I've had (I didn't walk away. I *crawled*). I'm not arguing against your statement of:

"Possessing it puts it into play."

I will never argue against that. I will in several instances back what you have to say. For instance: inexperienced handling of any weapon is liable to get the handler of that weapon hurt/killed. This includes having the weapon taken away and used against them.

But quit on the point that no-one smaller, no-one female and armed is *ever* gonna win. Go read police reports of the hundreds of occasions that armed women/smaller women got the better of their attackers by fighting back. And fuck yes, we got hurt, often really badly, but we're still here.

All you do by scoffing on a thread like this, is make the foolish folks think, "I'll show you." Stop, okay? Be helpful instead.

The following is helpful:

Learn Physical Self-defense (if possible)
Be Aware
Keep Your Distance
Do Not Confront
Run

if you can't run..

Attract General Attention (scream, smash a car window to set off the alarm, *anything*)

Now, none of those involves actual use of a weapon, does it? That's helpful.

But, I suggested almost exactly those things brah.

In an antagonistic and scoffing manner = not helpful.

Listen, what's important here is that ill_omened knows more than all of us, and the Metropolitan Police are the best trained in the world. That's what this conversation has always been about.

Naw the RCMP beat them at tazering mentally disabled people to death in airports by a miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile.