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Comments

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ill_omened]

The incredibly rare exception. The comparison is like saying that wearing your seat belt is a bad idea because someone got trapped by one once.

And you pretty much do need to get the drop on them, because they will have complete control of the situation, and significantly more experience of things like "getting punched in the head and being in a roll around" then you. I mean fights just don't work in the way you seem to think they do.

The suggestion would be, scream and shout and draw as much attention as possible, and realise that you cannot ever prepare to be 100% safe, and it's a trade off of risks.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

You are correct about one thing: It is a tradeoff of risks.

And it's my tradeoff to make.

And I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ill_omened]

That's a nonsense point though.

We know how likely it is to help you, compared to how likely it is to help you, and the odds are unbelieveably stacked against you.

Possessing it puts it into play.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

The odds are stacked against me anyway. Sam Colt called his gun "The Great Equalizer." You would leave me completely defenseless, so thanks for that, I guess.

I think I'd rather take advice from my husband, who actually loves me and cares about my well-being, than some stranger on the internet from a country where the cops don't even carry guns (judging from your spelling).

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ill_omened]

Plenty of our cops carry guns, and are a radio away, but that's not really relevant.

What's relevant is the fact that trained professionals will give the exact same advice, what you're doing is a terrible idea, and is significantly more likely to hurt you then to help you. This is non-negotiable.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, yes. When seconds count, the cops are minutes away!

Oh, bullshit, "non-negotiable." Trained professionals in your country, maybe. Cops on the street in mine? Different story. My brother-in-law is a cop. He loves concealed-carry holders. So do most cops: http://thearmsguide.com/4248/concealed-carry-what-do-police-think/

Hell, I got pulled over a few weeks ago for doing 67 in a 50. I handed over my license and my concealed-carry permit and said "I have a CC permit, but I'm not carrying today." He thanked me for telling him that and let me off two minutes later with a warning. It was the shortest traffic stop I've ever had.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ill_omened]

You are just regurgitating NRA slogans at this point. There's a reason that almost no officers get shot, and it's not because there aren't tens of thousands of firearms incidents a year in London.

And I'm talking about trained educated proffesionals, not some random ass swat officers or beat cops in a country which lionises the lone gun slinging vigilante.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

...wow. SWAT cops aren't "trained educated professionals" in your view? Where do you get your information? Movies?

And I'm not "regurgitating NRA slogans," you said yourself that they're "a radio call away." Just how long does that take in your world, sunshine? Seconds, or minutes?

I would rather live in a country that lionizes the lone gunman vigilante where I have the right to self-defense than a country that jails people for defending themselves instead of waiting for the cops to show up, perhaps too late to do anything but process the body and the crime scene.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ariakas]

One time I got pulled over for speeding and I was late for work, so I told the cop "sorry, I'm late for work" and he let me off shortly afterwards with a just warning.

Conclusion: cops love people who are late for work.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

I was at the airport, where they take speeding super-seriously. Seventeen over the limit? Come on, I was begging for a ticket and I have never had a traffic stop that short.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

Cops love polite people. You wanna know how to beat a ticket a good 75% of the time. Be polite and have your documents to hand. Just not having to deal with a torrent of abuse from some arrogant, self-serving asshole who got stopped is a cop's dream. Politeness and documents to hand will give most cops you meet reason enough to let you off with a warning.

As for the "I have a gun, but not carrying today": Well you ever hear a grandmother say "that's nice dear" to a grandkid who is prattling on about pooing in the big girl potty? The' cop's "thank's for telling me" is just a cop's way of saying "that's nice dear, now pull your panties up and go away".

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

LOL.

Cops loving CC holders. I'm dying here.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

Sam Colt called his gun "The Great Equalizer."

Welcome to the wonderful world of Sales, Marketing, and PR. Connection to reality: optional.

You would leave me completely defenseless No, it would merely take away the illusion of defense. You already are, for all practical purposes, defenseless. What you have is the dangerous illusion that you aren't, which may give you undue confidence and lead you into dangerous situations that you would otherwise avoid. Guns don't kill people, a false sense of security kills people.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, okay, so you're in the "lie back and think of England" camp and can be safely ignored.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

Translation: I have no real rebuttal to that, so I'll wander away now.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

And boom goes the dynamite.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

No, that was Alfred Nobel who came up with dynamite not Colt.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[needled_ink_1975]

Dude, we've had words before, and I think you're still of the totally incorrect opinion that I just have to be a ghost, cos there's no way (according to you) that I should've walked away from the two serious altercations I've had (I didn't walk away. I *crawled*). I'm not arguing against your statement of:

"Possessing it puts it into play."

I will never argue against that. I will in several instances back what you have to say. For instance: inexperienced handling of any weapon is liable to get the handler of that weapon hurt/killed. This includes having the weapon taken away and used against them.

But quit on the point that no-one smaller, no-one female and armed is *ever* gonna win. Go read police reports of the hundreds of occasions that armed women/smaller women got the better of their attackers by fighting back. And fuck yes, we got hurt, often really badly, but we're still here.

All you do by scoffing on a thread like this, is make the foolish folks think, "I'll show you." Stop, okay? Be helpful instead.

The following is helpful:

Learn Physical Self-defense (if possible)
Be Aware
Keep Your Distance
Do Not Confront
Run

if you can't run..

Attract General Attention (scream, smash a car window to set off the alarm, *anything*)

Now, none of those involves actual use of a weapon, does it? That's helpful.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ill_omened]

But, I suggested almost exactly those things brah.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[needled_ink_1975]

In an antagonistic and scoffing manner = not helpful.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

Listen, what's important here is that ill_omened knows more than all of us, and the Metropolitan Police are the best trained in the world. That's what this conversation has always been about.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[(Anonymous)]

Was unarmed in a bad situation. Running was not an option because he caught me while unlocking my door and pretty much pulled me to the ground. Screamed my ever living LUNGS out. Populated neighborhood. Not even that late (10pm). You want to know how many of my neighbors poked their heads out to see what was going on? Motherfucking ZERO.

To this day I don't know if he left off and ran was because I got in a lucky elbow hit, because he was scared somebody WOULD come, because exposing me and groping was all he wanted, or ... who the hell knows. I'm just glad that, for whatever reasons he chose to attack me in the first place, he chose to stop. Because if he hadn't? My screaming and elbowing and frantic reach for my phone didn't do jack shit. The power and advantage were ALL his.

So, do I carry pepper-spray now? Yes. Is it in one hand while I unlock with the other? Yes. Am I aware that that's overly paranoid and crazy? Yes. Am I now hyper-aware of anybody anywhere NEAR me if I'm alone? Yes. Am I aware that this could backfire? Fuck yes.

But damned if I'm caught without anything if it happens again. At least then nobody will be able to say I "didn't try". And maybe, even if it comes out the worse for me, the fact that he'll be marked with it will be enough of a positive ID for the next one not to get away.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[darkmanifest]

Yeah, that's a huge problem with telling people to scream for help. Regular citizens won't come, not because they're evil, but because they don't want to put themselves in danger, and because they expect Another Person to do it first. The Bystander Effect can be lethal, and it's sad, but one should never expect anybody to come to their defense or advise other people to expect it, it's nice the few times it does happen, but never to be relied upon.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[ill_omened]

Your chances of a citizen coming to help, or the guy deciding to run are orders of magnitude better than fucking about with a weapon. And it's much less likely to end badly than a weapon is.

But that's the reality of personal safety - you will never be able to ensure 100% perfect reaction to every situation and never being a victim of crime. It just doens't exist.

Re: Suprisingly decent article on self defence

[darkmanifest]

I didn't say anything about a weapon, just that it's not wise to tell people to cry for help without also telling them the possibility of bystanders doing jackshit. Just like it's not wise to tell people to carry a weapon without telling them the possibility of it being used against them. As you just said, there is no perfect precaution, and adults have to make their own decisions about what chances they're willing to take. Harping statistics doesn't help when you still end up the unlucky bastard on the extreme end of the curve, considering that, statistically speaking, you're far more likely to be attacked by a friend than a stranger, and orders of magnitude more likely to die of heart disease than a mugging, but we're discussing it anyway.