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The problem I have with SJWs is how self-righteous some of them can be and judgmental as well. At least with teenage boys, they never pretend that when they tear people down it's in the name of justice. And…I just have to tell someone this because it pisses me off but, I had one of my posts reblogged by a tumblr that went after "fandoms that hate women." Why? Because I had the nerve to ship a white male/white male slash ship instead of the canon interracial ship with a WOC. And, okay, I get that WOC need positive representation in media. But that doesn't change the fact that I think the ship is HORRIBLY written and that the writers did a TERRIBLE job. The two characters themselves are great and I like them (and think they would be cute together if competently written as I've seen in fanfiction), but the way they were put together in canon just does not work for me. And, Christ, I ship other heterosexual, interracial pairings in other fandoms. But that's because I think they're WELL WRITTEN.

And what pisses me off is that this blog has a tagline that essentially asks if you can't have sympathy with women in media then when? AND THE FUCKING ANSWER is that you have sympathy with REAL FUCKING WOMEN, YOU DOOFUS. Fictional women AREN'T real (DUH). And it pisses me off that I spend over 10 hours a day doing breast cancer research trying to save ACTUAL women's lives and then these self-righteous jerks have the goddamn nerve to tell me that I'm a misogynist because I prefer ONE slash pairing.

I can't stand it. If all you do is reblog shit, then get off your high horse.

Jesus, like women's preferences when it comes to sex and romance aren't already nitpicked and torn down enough as it is.

Star Trek?

Seriously, when was the last time anyone ever saw or heard of an SJW actually doing something other than reblogging a post or 'calling someone out' or spewing some nonsense about Princess Jasmine being trans? They're just sitting around on their computers all day being jerks.

Got it in one.

I know I went into the fandom being a naive, ignorant idiot who thought that it would be fun to talk about pairings and analyze and have light-hearted debates (big mistake there). But I still stand by everything I posted because I didn't post anything attacking any female characters. I just said that the relationship was too underdeveloped (for me) and that I thought there were out of character moments (and I didn't limit this to the female characters either or even just the characters in the pairings).

I fully admit it's my fault for not doing my research and posting without being aware of the huge amount of wank that had preceded me but Christ…

And, okay, I know I need to get over it and stop being a self-pitying baby about it, but it really fucking HURTS when you go into something looking to have fun or to engage in conversation and someone throws out RACIST and MISOGYNIST at you.

If you've been working in lab for 11 hours straight and your experiments are coming up inconclusive and you already feel like a fucking FAILURE…yeah…it hurts to be called a misogynist when you DO care. And when there are days you wish you didn't because it wouldn't sting so much to so often come up short. And you're called that by a bunch of people who don't know you at all…

Or the people who call you RACIST. Which…yeah…okay, I'm not black and I can't speak to the extreme discrimination they've endured. But I know what racism is. And it's not someone criticizing the writing of your favorite pairing. It's when your family has to leave the country of your birth because your father can't get a job because he's not white. It's when your TEACHERS "randomly" sit down next to you at lunch to talk about how much they hate a certain group of people (that you happen to be part of…). It's when your neighbor threatens to shoot you for being "dirty half-breed Arabs" and you go running home thinking you left your mother to die in your place…

And it HURTS. It hurts to have things like that thrown in my face over something like a pairing. And I know I shouldn't take it to heart, that it's not a big deal and people have the right to express themselves. But it's still painful as hell to have some of the worst experiences in your life and the struggles and set-backs of a job you truly care about thrown in your face over something as stupid as SHIPPING.

I honestly wish I could say this to them sometimes. Because I think they need a damn sense of perspective. But…I can't even express why I can't bring it up to them. It feels like I'd be "cheapening" a real and sometimes terrible part of my life to make a stupid point. That and I just don't think they'd care or believe me anyway. I don't even know…it doesn't make any sense.

Sorry for the wall of text, the situation just depresses me.

I am so sorry you had to put up with that. *hugs if wanted*

*hugs*

The worst part is that I hate self-pity. Hate, hate, HATE it. And yet here I am indulging. I don't know why I don't just get over it -- say "Fuck them, who cares what they think?" -- but I can't. It's not a big deal. It REALLY isn't. And yet here I am.

And I don't deny that some horrifically racist and misogynistic bullshit hasn't been spewed (like the "strong black women don't need no man" or calling female characters "bitches" and "sluts"). I just don't understand why everyone must be tarred to the same brush -- why ANY criticism is equated to that type of awfulness.

Maybe it makes me mad because I feel like they're USING the words "racist" and "misogynist" to censor anyone who disagrees with them. And I can't help but find that reprehensible and it just feels like they're trivializing major issues for the sake of a pairing, of all things.

Yeah

Sometimes I feel like they're devaluing the word "oppression" to mean "anything that makes them upset"

They're also devaluing terms like 'misogynist' and 'racist' by throwing them around like that.

Did someone write this specifically about you?

I see a lot (relatively speaking) of Spirk shippers saying this, feeling really put upon, but I don't see it going on.

Where is this happening? Is this a tumblr thing?

The Spirk pairing is huge in the fandom and some of the fans are brats, but I don't see someone calling out the brats as a statement about all Spirk shippers.
It is a long-standing ship which predates the reboot canon pairing, so it couldn't reasonably be filled solely with racists and misogynists. If this was just a general statement about members of your ship, it probably isn't about you. It just doesn't make sense for those kinds of statements to apply to ALL K/S shippers.

If those statements were made about you specifically, I would take a second look at what I've written without taking my views outside of fandom into account. Still not seeing misogyny or racism? Let it go then.

Some people are misguided and some people are just assholes.

Making posts about why Uhura and Spock don't work, and how useless she is and how they have no chemistry, how the storyline isn't well-written is not how you ship and how she's anti-feminist regardless what the POC women are saying. I mean it's almost always Uhura who gets trashed in these little metas.

+ My pairing because they work
+ My pairing because they have chemistry
+ My pairing because they have so much potential in the canon, etc. and whatever

If people stayed with "+" ing their ship rather than tearing down an important character to some of fandom, people would spend less time side-eyeing this side of fandom, which is were it always originates.

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You're ok. And you're absolutely right. Racism does not mean 'does not like my favorite pairings,' which is how those punk SJWs are defining it. Fandom should be fun. You should be able enjoy it and not have to worry about being attacked because someone didn't like your OTP.

Calling someone misogynist or racist can ruin their career. Those aren't things that should be thrown around lightly.

Don't let them get you down. You're doing something meaningful with your life. They're sitting around on the internet being assholes.

Thanks. And thanks for letting me vent. It did make me feel better. And thanks to jaybie_jarrett as well.

I know most SJWs aren't like that and just going on Reddit alone (as mentioned by another anon) is evidence enough that a lot of SJWs are indeed fighting for important causes. It just feels like there's this vocal minority that sucks all the fun out of fandom and denigrates important issues by bringing them up about the pettiest things.

At least with teenage boys, they never pretend that when they tear people down it's in the name of justice.

You kidding? Or have you seriously never encountered any Redditors in your life?

I was more talking about video game fandoms, to be honest (like Call of Duty). It's always seemed to me that their behavior is 100% ego-driven in those games and well aware of it.

They don't pretend it's for "justice," it's just posturing and hypermasculinity.

Reddit's a different beast entirely.

Sorry you had to go through that, but spot-on criticism of the ugly side of the SJW camp. SJWs have made social justice an exercise in personal perfectionism and feeling smart/well-educated/sensitive, rather than about making the world a better place. They claim to be supporting underrepresented groups in media, but instead what they end up doing is using SJ concepts to justify their ship/fandom preferences (i.e. as ship war ammo) and being an aggressive fan to other fans, in a way that has zero impact on representation or the lives of minorities.

DA

what they end up doing is using SJ concepts to justify their ship/fandom preferences (i.e. as ship war ammo)

Yes, this exactly. (I almost made a secret about this a year or so ago but chickened out.) Fandom wars have always been brutal, but now it's about taking SJ concepts and using them to tear down/discredit the fans who don't support your favorite ship/character. Why have just an ordinary ship war when you can paint the other side as racist misogynists (for example)? That's why it's hard for me to take a lot of this seriously, because it's all coming from the angle of "people hate my favorite character/ship - there is plainly no good reason why someone might not like my favorite character/ship or might prefer a different character/ship (or in some cases may like this character/ship I don't like) - I must show why everyone who doesn't like my favorite character/ship is a bad person" and then twisting SJ concepts to fit that agenda.

This post is so much bullshit.

How so?

The assumption that SJ issues are because of shipping preferences, as though all the people who disagree with certain statements ship outside of their preference.

Sometimes it really is just about what people say it's about. Pretending that people are just saying these things to support their ship is just another way to silence them and devalue what they have to say, regardless of how true it may or may not be.

*Their is a reference to the OP's preference.

Hm... I don't think that assumption (that SJ issues are entirely because of shipping preferences) is one that was being made at all. I think what we're saying is that legitimate SJ issues are being used as fuel in ship wars that have no impact on making the world a better place and are just arguments between fans.

It's not that social justice arguments are invalid, and we're definitely not claiming that SJWs care about SJ only in the context of fandom. What I'm trying to say is that valid SJ concepts are being adapted to the world of shipping and fandom to justify why one pairing is right and the other is wrong in a way that doesn't make the world better and may even make it worse.

I assume in the mind of an SJW they believe they are making the world a better place by calling out sexism/racism wherever they see it, but I think mainly they're having a spat with other fans who have very little influence on what kinds of shows and movies get made, and even possibly are making people who DO have a positive influence on the world (like the subthread-starter) feel like a misogynist piece of trash simply because they aren't interested in a fictional female character.

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What, hit a nerve? I can't take anyone seriously if they're only using SJ concepts to bash everyone who doesn't like their ship, or bash everyone who ships a competing ship.

Except, your accusation is a false one. Trivializing others arguments on the basis that it is shipper nonsense is just a weak way to devalue their position.

lmao

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And using SJ arguments to dismiss people's reasons for liking/not liking something is just such a great way to devalue people's opinions?

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Uhura bashing really does typically come from those who ship K/S, you admit that yourself. Don't pretend then, that people who defend the character and call out Kirk/Spock shippers for bashing her in a way that minimizes and negatively portrays the only female POC with lines in the film, are only doing so because they don't like your ship.

Really, it has nothing to do with Kirk/Spock as a ship and everything to do with the fact that SOME of the people who ship it really have some issues.

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Ever seen tumblrinaction over on Reddit? I think they go kind of OTT in some respects, but the sheer mind-boggling absurdities they show are indicative of how some tumblrites seem to believe they should be validated in whatever particular beef they have.

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