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But does person B suffer from this rape or not?
Every fic I've read that had this trope, person was undamaged and having amazing orgasms. I can see why people have a hard time seeing that as rape.

Depends, I guess? I think B only suffers if the story is about the rapist feeling remorse, and ends with the victim forgiving them because it was ~love~.

So all's well that ends well?

Horrifyingly yes. But again, that's a fantasy. A romanticized version of a horrific act of sexual violence. If someone truly love a person, they would not force themselves onto the other person.

Why horrifingly?

Because real rape isn't like that? Because it's not a wonderful romantic experience?

But what does that have to do with stories where it is a wonderful romantic experience?

NAYRT here. Some people are horrified by the depiction of rape as a wonderful romantic experience. Sometimes the reader wasn't aware of the trope and is thinking "Wait... they just described rape... why are they seeing it as a good thing?" And sometimes there is more of a connection between what we read and what happens in real life than I think most people in fandom want to admit.

I don't think people who write it is a wonderful romantic experience see it as rape, nor do the readers who are fine with what they're reading. Keywords are always "surrender", "passion", "seduction", etc. They're laying out their fantasies where consent is given/taken in the way they prefer.

AYRT - Yeah, I agree with this and that's part of the reason it's so uncomfortable to people who aren't used to those conventions.

Why do people always feel the need to ridicule this trope when it's a beloved of many women?
Myself included. Romance where the feelings are mutual right away or too soon is boring and unsatisfying. I want internal struggle.

I said it was fine as a fantasy. It's when it crosses into real life territory that it becomes an issue. No one is ever going to rape you if they love you, end of story. It's not how reality works.

I didn't say anything about real life, I know the difference between fantasy and reality and I'd appreaciate it if you'd stop trying to push real life in my romance, thank you very much.

If you read what I wrote, then you'd see I said it's fine as fantasy. My point is that it's not real rape.

Yes, we get it. No need to repeat yourself over and over.
I'm sure you won't have any objection to me not calling it rape if that's not real rape, then.

This is a discussion about rape is love and I will respond to questions! The magic of discussion!

Too bad I didn't ask you anything, much less a lecture on shit I already know.

Someone's defensive. As you should be.

No one is ever going to rape you if they love you, end of story. It's not how reality works.

This is terrifyingly not true. Love doesn't make you perfect and immune to fucking up and hurting the ones you love.

I agree. People have loved other people and still raped them. Also sometimes people murder the people they love.

Reality unfortunately does work like that.

If you're willing to force yourself onto a person, you do not love them. You may be infatuated with them, or lustful towards them, but you don't love them. That's like saying someone loves you, even though they beat you.

So? That happens too. Experiencing the emotion of loving someone does not preclude being a totally fucked-up person who does fucked-up things. It doesn't mean automatically knowing how to treat that person well or having the emotional stability or self-control to do so. There's a reason why the old saying and song "You always hurt the ones you love" exist.

Love does not, in fact, conquer all. It can and does co-exist with all sorts of other horrible emotions, and unfortunately even when it's genuine and even sometimes when it's felt very powerfully, it's not always enough to override them.

Are we not allowed to be critical of something just because women like it? I'm a woman too and I don't like it. We both have valid opinions.

Being critical =/= I'm going to disregard everything about what I'm reading because I can't separate reality from fiction, though. I've seen the latter happen far too often.

I don't like =/= It's wrong and you should feel like a horrible human being for liking it (horribility bonus points if you're a woman)

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