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Backstory: I've just finished marathoning and catching up years worth of Naruto manga.

Here's what puzzles me: I like anti-heroes, grew up mmore prone to liking your Vegetas to your Son Gokus, your Phoenix Ikkis more than your Pegasus Seiyas, really. But I can't seem for the life of me understood liking Uchiha Sasuke. As a person he's terrible, easily-manipulated and self-centered to the extreme; as a character he's monotone and reacts to everything with ~angst and anger~.

Do you have characters like this, FS? Liking anti-hero types, but for some reason a particular one that you should like you ended up hating? Or other archetypes that you like, but for that one character you hate anyway?

Seconding you on Sasuke Uchiha.

He wasn't so bad in the first part, but I never really liked him then either. Then he just got worse as the series went on. It doesn't help that Kishimoto has had other characters forgive him so easily and sing his praises. The one that posted me off the most was Karin forgiving him and just resorting back to a fawning fangirl.

I should like the angsty brooding type, but like you, I never really liked him in the first part too.

Ugh Karin. Don't make me start on her. It annoys me more cause we have the same name, so I'm easily miffed that there's a Karin in canon that couldn't stop fangirling Sasuke. And yes, I thought it'd get better after Sakura helped her escape, but then she reverted back. :/

He was just a generic, angsty, brooding rival in the first part. There's been countless numbers of them in shounen manga and nothing about Sasuk made him stand out from them or any other characters in the series. Imean, if I wanted an arrogant asshole rival from the first part then I'd go with Neji.

Oh yeah, I can see why that be even more disappointing for you. In that chapter where she'd got over Sasuke and saw him for what he really is was just great. It was fantastic character development and I wanted to see her chew him out/kick his ass when they next met. But nope, she just started fangirling all over again. It makes me angry just thinking about it. And it isn't limited to just Sasuke. It's an Uchiha thing, apparently.

Yep. And Neji at least had character development. Most of the brooding angsty type in Naruto are a lot more interesting than Sasuke, really. Neji, Gaara, Nagato.

I mean, Karin is an Uzumaki, there's potential there, but Kishimoto sure isn't doing anything with it. Which is weird cause I like how he writes most of his other female characters--Tsunade, Temari, Kushina, Ino (I love Ino). I even like that the god-like being in canon is a woman.

And yeah, true, I am basically done with all characters named Uchiha barring Itachi and Shisui (and we barely even see Shisui).

Yeah, Neji grew out of it. He was still a bit of a stouc, no nonsense guy, but he still loosened up. Sasuke's not had any development. He's still an angry asshole who doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself.

At this point, I'm really glad that all of my favorite characters are stuck on the sidelines and forgotten to the most part. I can only imagine how Kishimoto would ruin their characters. He can write some decent female characters, but that's the thing, most of them don't get enough screentime for him to screw them up. Ino is fantastic, not gonna lie. And I'm super glad that Madara is gone and Kaguya replaced him.

Eh, I can't say I agree on Itachi. He was okay until the reveal, but all the fellating of his character and how he was such a great ninja soured me on him. I can't say I've liked any of the Uchiha we've seen.

Also, from the start, I find the way Neji treated Rock Lee (the goofy character that declared him a rival) a lot more palatable than how Sasuke treated Naruto (the goofy character that declared *him* a rival).

Oh, who are your favorites? Now that most everybody' stuck in the infinite tsukuyomi, my favorites (Ino, Gaara and Shikamaru) are sidelined too. I do randomly like the Second and First Hokage though.

Yeah, he gets propped up pretty high, Itachi, doesn't he? It gets pretty annoying, I get it, but I give him lots of cookie points after he came back as a Tensei and tried to stop Kabuto (and snapped Sasuke out of his revenge mission).

That scene when Sasuke made his grand entrance and declaring he wants to be the Hokage though, ughh *throws stuff at his face* always the self-centered asshole. I still don't get why both the Japanese and the overseas fandom like him so much. is it because he's a bishounen-ish character?

Neji could be a bit of an ass, but he was fairly civil when it came to Rock Lee. Sure, he'd get fed up with his antics, but compared to how Sasuke treated Naruto, he was a bit more forgiving. Which explains why I ship them like burning.

My favorite are Gai, Kakashi, Lee, and Neji. There's a lot of characters I like, but those four are my favorites. I'm still not sure about my feelings on Jesus!Naruto saving Gai. On one hand, I'm glad he's alive, but he's not going to be a ninja ever again. The 8 Gates took their toll on him and I'm ot sure if Gai would be alright with that quality of life. On the other hand, I'm mad he didn't get to go out in a blaze of glory. What are your ships?

Propped pretty high is understatement. When you've got hokages proclaiming him as the greatest ninja ever, it is just ridiculous. Even Kaguya got into it. I can give him props for that, but I still can't bring myself to like him. The stain of the Uchiha just ruins everything it touches for me. A bit melodramatic, I know but Kishimoto and his Uchiha hard-on have been detrimental to the story.

There was not enough facepalm in the world when I read that. How would Sasuke being a hokage be a good idea by any stretch of the imagination? He'd fuck up the the village and peace so fucking badly. He doesn't care about anyone other than himself, so how the fuck would he fix things?

He's more of a basebreaker in the US though, but even so he is still pretty popular. It baffles me. He isn't even that much of a prettyboy imo. He is just so generic looking.

How would Sasuke being a hokage be a good idea by any stretch of the imagination?

I haven't read Naruto in years but when I heard about the whole "Sasuke wanting to be hokage" thing, it made me beyond angry. I'm still kind of angry. A manga should not be able to make me so mad

Ayrt

Oh yeah, I feel you. My suggestion is that if he does end up being Hokage and Kishimoto ends the series without an epilogue that goes into what happened to everybody, you can always headcanon that he got assassinated by the family of somebody he killed or pissed off.

Or that Orochimaru was dormant in him and took over his body.

Haha, yeah that's probably the only way it would be bearable.

I'm still kind of hoping that he'll just give Sasuke some kind of bullshit heroic death or something. I don't think he really deserves to go out in a blaze of glory but at this point I dislike his character enough to just want him to go away.

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I ship Naruto with everybody, though not Sakura because I think by now he puts her in too high of a pedestal and she's spent too long hung up on another guy, I can't see them be paired off convincingly. (as such, I ship Neji/Naru too, though not as much as I ship Gaara/Naru. Like, hey Naruto? Here's a brooding stoic-type who actually cares for you, let's stop fixating so much on the one that don't, shall we? Isn't practically traditions for kyuubi's junchuuriki to marry Kages? Got a great candidate right here *might be only half joking*)

Oh I agree, letting Gai go out in a blaze of glory would've been preferable (after kicking Uchiha Madara's ass, no less!) I'm more annoyed by Neji's underwhelming death though.

I thought Shikamaru's (and most of his ex-schoolmates') incredulous reactions to Sasuke's declaration were apt, just that it needed to be cranked up a bit. And you're right, the villagers won't trust him (with good reason) and he never has the track record of putting others' needs before his own. He'll make a horrible Hokage, worse than if they were to have choosen Madara over Hashirama, I would think.

He might not be that much of a prettyboy, but that's the slot he's occupying, right, I guess some people bought the persona of 'here's the pretty one' that Kishimoto wrote. IDK.

I went through a NaruSaku phase, but I can't ship say I ship them now. I don't really ship Naruto with anybody to be honest. I ship him with Lee, but Lee's one of my bicycles and I ship him with damn near everybody so that isn't saying much. My OTPs are KakaGai and NejiLee. I used to ship Gaara/Lee, but now, not so much. I guess I fell out of love with it or got burnt out.

Agreed so hard! He should have got to go out with a blaze of glory, taking Madara down. As much as I love Neji, I wasn't that annoyed with his death. It was disappointing for sure but I half-expect him to be brought back to life or something.

I wouldn't be surprised if the villagers forgive him and welcome him with open arms, you know, for saving them from Kaguya. I hope that Shikamaru and the rest of them won't be so forgiving but I'm not holding my breath. Sasuke himself isn't even a good leader! He's stubborn, refuses to listen to the advice others give him and just charges headfirst into shit. Like that whole shit with him rushing after Danzo.

Even if he does grow up, he will still be inedibly biased toward the Uchiha clan and rebuilding it as its reputation. Sure, there's always a bit of bias, but he will be so focused on Uchiha shit he won't even care about the needs of the other people. You want yhe fragile peace to be ruined? Make Sasuke the hokage and see how long it lasts before it bites you in the ass.

I suppose they did. I just don't see anything good about Sasuke. At all.

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though not as much as I ship Gaara/Naru. Like, hey Naruto? Here's a brooding stoic-type who actually cares for you, let's stop fixating so much on the one that don't, shall we?

Lol, that was pretty much the first ship I jumped to when I gave up on Sasunaru. Gaara is so great! And Naruto pretty much taught him the meaning of friendship/love, which is a lesson Sasuke probably should have absorbed a little better

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nayrt, but drive-by Naruto/Gaara love! I wish that ship was more popular; Naruto is so important to Gaara that it's sometimes hard NOT to see their interaction as being a little more than friendly.

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Never liked Sasuke because he's a specific type of angsting and brooding character that just bores me because they took forever to open up to others or shown to present themselves even slightly differently depending on the person. Plus, as you said, it seems they never learn from past behaviour and are just stuck in this immature boringness. Then again that's not one of my favourite archetypes period; I get the appeal of emo prettyboy everyone wants to be or be with, but I do not relate at all.

As for types, I dig Casanova characters who hit on everything that moves and have all the confidence in the world even when they're turned down. Tamaki in Ouran, Wendy Oldbag and Klavier Gavin in Ace Attorney, Jack Harkness, and so on.

But Kida Masaomi pissed me off from beginning to end of the Durarara anime. The Casanova thing wasn't the only thing he was about of course, he had other douchebag qualities that involved being a worthless shit stirrer, but I could not find anything entertaining about his date hunting and constant sexual harassment. I'm supposed to feel sorry for him when he's being an obtuse little weirdo and bitching out a friend for assumedly getting another guy's dick wet AARAF;GHSFGH HATEAHATEHATE—

Granted it has been a good four years or so since I watched it so I barely remember anything about Durarara but I remember liking Kida. A lot. He was kinda cheeky and being voiced by Mamoru Miyano only made me like him more. I was surprised by how hated he was.

Might have to rewatch it and see what the fuss is about.

He's hated? I only just finished the series, so that's validating.

Eh, I'm not sure how much he's hated since I don't hang around Durarara! fandom places so take that with a grain of salt. I mostly saw it on general anime places.

I watched it a lot more recently than than - about a year ago, probably - and I didn't know he was hated nor do I think he's worse than most Casanova types. His sexual harassment is mostly talk... not that any kind of sexual harassment is ok, but it's a staple of the character type and I don't remember anything notable about him doing it that would single him out from the rest.

Ayrt

Yeah, that's what I thought too. His sexual harassment was limited to talk iirc and like you said, that's pretty much a staple of Casanova type characters. He didn't really do anything in that area that most other characters of that archtype don't do. So what makes him so bad in that area?

As for shitstirring, eh, I can't really remember the series, especially the latter half so I can't comment on that.

Watching mixed subs from different groups and Crunchyroll's might have had an effect, but I felt like I still had a grasp on the other characters despite that.

I had a lot of trouble buying that he and Anri were even friends, since he came across as this creep she tolerates who won't let up on how fuckable she is (not that the show itself wouldn't get over her being tits mcgee. yes i know. anime.). Granted, I thought I would start liking Kida more when he was telling the gross teacher to get lost for creeping on her. But then he goes on to ask Mikado how erotic she is, and it's back to the annoying list.

And even outside of that, I couldn't fathom why I should care about a kid who starts a gang for no reason other than to fuck around, gets blindsided by the Littlefinger, ends up with a hurt girlfriend, bails on his gang for a year, then ends up reforming said gang, only more shittily, because he doesn't understand investigation or questions, and doesn't keep his gang in check because he's too busy moping down the street. There's a few moments where I like the friendship with Mikado, and how does want to look out for him and Anri, but he didn't accomplish much? He got manipulated (unintentionally?) into making a situation worse by fostering animosity everywhere? anime tteeeeens /blarghing

And I guess there's also the part where I can't quite pinpoint why he bothers me more than others who pull off similar actions and behaviour. He just bugs me idk.

More seriously though, I'm starting the light novels soon. I don't know how well the anime covered the first few books, but I suspect that having an ensemble cast means you crash through certain stories and plot points faster than you would having read them ("eg: wait what Namie is working for Izaya now?"). So my guess is that whatever I'm missing is probably there in the books since it might give me a different perspective on him. Or I could just read a bunch of meta.

In the case of Sasuke, presently he *still* hasn't opened up.

Oh I can definitely see the appeal of liking Casanova characters--self-confidence is attractive after all. There are some that doubled as the comedic-relief too though, like Francis in Hetalia. I think I prefer those types.

I don't watch Durarara, but manipulative characters whose mistakes got handwaved and the canon told to be sorry for can be really annoying, i agree.

Your liking Casanova-types reminds me though-- I think Tennoh Haruka would be in that category too, don't you think? I'm on the fence about her flirtiness though. I know Michiru never minded, but it sometimes bugged me that she's flirtatious in front of her own girlfriend.

I dropped the manga during that arc where the pierced Akatsuki guy unkilled everyone in the village. I was looking forward to Killer Bee, but I didn't think the nonsense like Sasuke was worth slogging through.

Kida isn't even manipulative. That's a different, and hilariously unapologetic, character with charisma. No, Kida is just this guy who causes a lot of collateral damage for reasons passed off as vengeance when it's more lack of communication and ego, and gets a free pass because I don't know why.

I could see how that'd be irksome with Haruka. I always got the impression that it was more for show and flustering girls, while in private she was more sweet and reserved with her actual girlfriend, like in the end Michiru was the one still had "claim". And I dig that kind of "infidelity with rules" kind of thing and get a bit giddy when it pops up in other things, like House of Cards for instance.

Ah, I guess I just mostly miffed that even in private we mostly see affection and adoration from Michiru's part? Like the hand-holding scene, or when they died in Stars.

Also for some reason, though I hate her flirting in front of her girlfriend, the scene that irked me the most was when she flirted with the room service girl behind her back.

I think the manga showed more balance in that department, Haruka's more touchy-feely there.

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