[ SECRET POST #2756 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2756 ⌋

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Comments

Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon but let's try again

Genderswapped fictional ships and abusive relationships. Does swapping the genders of any of your ships make it suddenly skeevy?

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

It depends, do you have any examples?

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Genderswapped Twilight is really weird to me.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Regular twilight is much worse.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Edwina and Bello? Now I can't get the image of this small woman flying through the forest with this big dude on her back, while telling him things like, "Let's go spider monkey." Instead of breaking the bed she breaks his little Bello, and he's trying to hide it with makeup and a splint and LOL that's so bad but I can't help but laugh.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

I actually agree with case on this. This discussion has nothing to offer except to create wank. Please shut this down.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

not OP

Why? This thread is aiming to start an actual conversation and is trying to get people to think about why the dynamics of relationships suddenly become socially unacceptable if the genders are switched. What's wrong with it?

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1048326.html?thread=767529478#cmt767529478

He's already said it's perfectly fine. If you don't like it, learn2scroll

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

I can safely say that all but one of my ships could be considered abusive/unhealthy. And the ship in question could actually be a healthy relationship. I just only ship it for fucked up reasons.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Man, I worded that wrong. Most of my ships are healthy/not abusive. Only one isn't.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[vethica]

Only the ones that were already skeevy pre-genderswap.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

To preface: most yaoi is skeevy to begin with, obvs

But if you swapped most yaoi ukes with girls, it gets suddenly 100% worse and idk why. Maybe because the starting power difference is even greater?

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Tsundere archetype gets 100x more skeevier.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Yandere would be worse.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

I guess Miss Piggy and Kermit would be kind of messed up if they were gender switched.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

I find those two messed up without being gender switched. Regardless of what gender either of them are that reads as a very unhealthy relationship to me. I was bothered by Miss Piggy and the way she acts around Kermit as a child and didn't figure out why until I got older.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

i ship mainly slash, but a few of them would be skeevy if one were female. mainly because they're military. the same behaviors between two male soldiers vs between a male and female soldier would be perceived v differently

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Ed/Winry would probably come off as kind of fucked up considering the whole "beating him with a wrench" thing. Yeah...

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

Not if fem!Ed was still buff with a powerful metal arm like before. The wrench-beating is only potentially humorous* because Winry's not actually a threat to Ed even if she was seriously trying to harm him, if that held true with the genders swapped, it'd still have the same funny potential.

*Some don't find it funny regardless of gender, of course.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[inkdust]

Sure, I'll admit it. The most unhealthy relationship I write would be very skeevy if genderswapped. It also just wouldn't work.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[sarillia]

This assumes that there are behaviors that are abusive when one gender does it but not when another does, and I don't agree with that. So I guess my answer to the question would be no.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[(Anonymous)]

I think Helga/Arnold is skeevy as fuck and people don't tend to realize it because a) it's a childhood nostalgia thing and b) the girl is the crazed stalker. They did an A-plus job of making her sympathetic, but that doesn't mean her actions aren't pretty disturbing.

I mean I ship it too but...

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[feotakahari]

No, I don't think so. I ship some things that would get less skeevy, but they're generally de-skeeved within the canon itself. (For instance, Winston/Florence in Freefall had skeeve potential, and a genderswap would be one way around it, but they themselves discuss their power imbalance, and Winston is very concerned with treating Florence as an equal.)

Well, depending on who was swapped, I could see how it might make a couple of mine less skeevy.

[(Anonymous)]

It depends on a lot of things, though. Part of that is deciding how the character and relationship dynamics would change with the gender.

Re: Genderswap and abusive ships

[ryttu3k]

I didn't remotely like it at ALL and didn't even remotely ship it in canon as it was (as in, it was one of the main reasons I stopped watching the show), but someone pointed out that if Bolin was female and Eska was male (or if it was Desna instead) in Legend of Korra, there would have been a MUCH larger outcry and not so much, "Oh, but Bolin used to be a womaniser! He needs a strong woman to keep him in line! She's a Strong Female Character! She just doesn't know how to express her love!".

It was abusive from the start and a lot of people DID actually realise that, thank fuck, but if the genders had been swapped then I don't think ANYONE would have supported it.

So that would be a case where it's skeezy and abusive from the start, but some people only would have realised it if the genders were swapped.