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So, for those of you who like non-con, what types of non-con do you like the most in fanfic? Do you only find certain types hot/interesting, and do you get squicked or repulsed at certain other types? For example, brainwashed/drugged vs violent/physically forced vs coerced by threats?

I like rape is love, ngl. I know it's problematic as hell.

I also like aliens/pon farr/whatever made us do it.

I feel like there are two types of rape is love. There are the ones where it is love in-fic, but the author clearly knows it is rape. I don't mind those even if it isn't my thing. The ones where it is clear that the author doesn't understand what consent actually is, though, creep me out.

Yes, the ones where the author clearly knows that it's definitely not a good thing are the kinds I like.

It really depends on the writer, pairing, dynamic, fandom etc.

But mostly: I just prefer it if it's written as clear-cut non-con, but not somehow romanticized. Doesn't necessarily mean it can't happen within a pairing I like romantically, but I sort of feel better if the act itself is acknowledged as coming from a fucked-up mindset. If that makes sense.

Also A/B/O just rubs me the wrong way 90 percent of the time.

And I don't like blackmail as a trope.

Edited 2014-08-05 01:03 (UTC)

Pretty much this.

I like non-con that actually is non-con and isn't romanticized. I don't find it hot in the sexual sense. I like reading fics where characters are raped, where there are realistic consequences, and then hopefully at least a start at healing. I'm more into coercion by threats because my biggest thing is fics where the character submits in order to protect others. But I'll take physical force too.

Rape as love or fics where non-con happens and the author actually thinks it is consensual repulses me. And fics where the rape is written in such a way that it is supposed to be hot is not my thing, though I don't hate it as long as the author acknowledges that it is rape.

Yeah, I don't even like non-con all the much. I just like the aftermath. It presses my hurt/comfort buttons.

I usually want graphic, and often combined with torture. I want the comfort to be earned. And it hits some sort of cathartic button for me when characters survive really horrible stuff.

Re: Non-con likes and dislikes? (TW: rape)

kallanda_lee - 2014-08-05 01:17 (UTC) - Expand

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philstar22 - 2014-08-05 01:20 (UTC) - Expand

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kallanda_lee - 2014-08-05 01:21 (UTC) - Expand

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kallanda_lee - 2014-08-05 01:27 (UTC) - Expand

I like when they're coerced by threats and end up getting some pleasure out of it in spite of themselves. And aliens made them do it.

I'll read ones where they get pleasure out of it, but that isn't usually what I want. I want awful and pain and often situations where the rapist is specifically doing it to hurt them. And then I want healing.

I just like the psychological torture aspect of them enjoying it. I could intellectualize it and talk about how it's an interesting take on the subject in a climate where people act like it can't be rape if you enjoy it and it's good to see narratives that know it's rape even in that situation, but really there's just something about the scenario that works for me.

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philstar22 - 2014-08-05 01:27 (UTC) - Expand

Oh yeah, I like these types, too.

I'll add heat-induced sex (A/B/O or sex-pollen type) to the 'alien made them do it' too.

I've never looked into A/B/O even though it's got a lot of tropes that I like. Could be because I've researched actual wolf dynamics that aren't based on a faulty study and the misconceptions about the alpha, etc stuff annoys me. Or maybe I just can't take knotting seriously. I should still take a look though.

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sarillia - 2014-08-05 02:45 (UTC) - Expand

I like it as the hurt in hurt/comfort. Even more with a side of unfair stigma where only the victim's closest friends support him/her or know about it, for some reason. However, I'm picky about this. In the hands of some writers it just feels like gratuitous torture-porn that makes me feel grossed out and offended.

I also really like it in angst and darkfic, preferably in a villain/hero relationship where the villain is obsessed with the hero, or they're obsessed with each other, or where they used to be friends or lovers.

And I love it in coercion/threats, particular when the victim is trying to protect other people, even if this is often pretty contrived.

Stockholm Syndome or psychological brainwashing (as opposed to drug/mind-control brainwashing) skeeves me the fuck out.

Edited 2014-08-05 01:10 (UTC)

I'm really into torture-porn fics, not in a kink sense but in a weirdly cathartic sense. But my favorites are ones where you get both: graphic non-con followed by realistic healing. I don't like it when the author is clearly writing it to be hot, though. I just want it brutal and realistic and painful.

I guess it depends if the torture-porn is really shallow and cheap-feeling, or if in spite of being graphic and porny, there's still a big focus on the character's personality and situation and feelings and thoughts while it's happening.

Basically, it has to feel like there's a reason it's a fanfic written by an actual fan who cares about the characters rather than some original story off of literotica or something.

Re: Non-con likes and dislikes? (TW: rape)

philstar22 - 2014-08-05 01:28 (UTC) - Expand

Pretty much exclusively cases where both characters are under the influence of something, especially as a result of an accident. If one character is being controlled, but the other is fully aware, I nope the hell out.

I really dislike the "rape is love" trope. I do love sex pollen fics, "aliens made them do it" fics, and things similar to that nature .

Brainwashing and Aliens made us do it. Basically, the more unrealistic and fantasy-ish, the better. I don't read it often, but I'd prefer the more plausible types to be serious/hurt/comfort fics, not porn.

I like kidnapping/abduction and rape, and abuse as long as the rapist actually, to some extent, cares about the victim. I don't need rape is love, and I don't like the victim forgiving the rapist at all. But I like some messed up element of the bad guy caring about the victim.

I'd say I don't really care for drugged/brainwashed/etc because I prefer to read a victim struggling, usually physically struggling to get away. Goes with my bondage kink.

Ideally though, if it's an actual story and not pure PWP, I like the victim getting a happy ending.

I know most people say dubcon doesn't exist, but bear with me here.

I do enjoy fic that people would generally label rape fic, but I can't really find much that's super realistic depiction of rape. Real rape is awful, and as far as I have seen people don't tend to get off on it that often.

The majority of "rape" fic content is really more like surprise sex. There can be a power difference, an initial adverse reaction, consent isn't asked for/given etc etc but in the end it usually boils down to everyone having an orgasm and then not really caring afterward.

This is my general (and pretty extensive) experience with fic labelled non-con, anyway. If you want something a little more psychological or brutal you generally have to look into specifics like interrogation/torture or guro.

Anyhow, tl;dr what do I like about it? I like it when authors don't treat it as a minor plot point but rather a jumping off point for a deep exploration of a character's psychology, relationship or class dynamics. I like it if there's a point to it, basically. Writing about taboo subjects is only really effective that way, anyhow.

Er....nope. Not in my also very extensive experience at ALL. Most noncon is portrayed as genuinely traumatic and unwanted and painful, but titillating for the reader.

What you describe is overwhelmingly labeled dub-con, although a lot of people may label it "dub-con/non-con"

In my experience, fics labeled just "rape" are more often not written to be titillating, or not really focused on the act of rape, than are fics labeled "non-con", but there's a lot of overlap.

You must be joking. I've been in and around fandom and nonfandom porn spaces for almost 16 years now. Unless you're talking exclusively about recent labelling you're just wrong.

I like noncon between enemies, brutal or more 'gentle'/mocking.

I also like rape where there's a villanous character, usually, who uses underlings/servants who can't say no.

Gangrape by thugs/a group of faceless villains/etc. Especially if a character the assaulted character cares about is tied up/not being raped but forced to watch. I like it if the character having to watch is in romantic love with the character being raped, or is their brother (if they are both men - I know that's specific but the thought of any other familial relationship having to be in these positions squicks me).

Character B, who hates Character C but knows Character C loves Character A, seducing/coercing Character C to have sex with them.

Character D, who is in love with Character A, but knows Character A could never love them back, getting carried away/taking advantage of Character A when they are drunk/vulnerable/etc and trying to convince themselves it's consensual.

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