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[ SECRET POST #336 ]
⌈ Secret Post #336 ⌋
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Notes:
Out again, Christmas shopping/making a buttload of cookies! You know what to do!
Last day to submit for next week!
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #048.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!secret, [ 1 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] repeat.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Saturday, December 7th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Long story short: I fail at making secrets. Secret poorly conveyed message. Was far too easily misinterpreted.
WHAT I MEANT TO SAY: I find the vast majority of healer love-interest characters in JRPGs to be cliched and boring. As a result of the canon relationship boring me, I tend to fall to the old standby of manpr0nz. These two things may or may not be connected in reality and I'm just looking to justify my slashing habits.
If you must attack me, attack me on this and not on that, plz. If there must be more wank, I'd rather it covered some new ground...
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And as if the male characters whom those particular females are the love interests of aren't also cliched and boring. As someone else said, you get a choice between loud, hotheaded moron or effeminate angstbunny. A choice of equally vapid cliches =/= interesting character.
Also, why the hell do you need to justify liking slash? Other than "it's hot and turns me on?" I've never understood it. But then, I got into slash when I was way past the tweenybopper infatuation stage of my life, so maybe I missed out on something.
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Yes, yes I do. I'm too lazy to go back and copypasta, but I swear I mentioned at one point that protagonists, by virtue of being protagonists, get more attention when it comes to characterization. Protagonists often have pasts relevant to the story, while the love interest does not and her characterization is largely defined in relation to the main character.
It's things like this that make a character like Terra from FFVI so unique - if she had had a love interest and he had been the main character, she would have been relegated to much the same position as many other love-interest types. But because she had the spotlight and had to stand on her own, she became a more complex and interesting character because of it. She has the history and the personality that most love interest girls lack.
I frequently wonder why I like slash, and why women like slash in general. I don't think it's just because 'it's hot and turns me on' - though that is part of it - and I do think there is a connection between slash and sexism - but maybe I was making it in the wrong place.
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See: Aeris, Garnet, Yuna, Elena, Rinoa
I don't necessarily like all of them, but I'm not about to say they were flat and lifeless and served no purpose other than to glorify their male love interests.
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Their backstories exist almost purely to grant them awesome-super-powers. Aeris I would name as an exception because she spend a good chunk of her childhood in Shinra's labs, but Rinoa and Yuna? Garnet barely even remembers her childhood - effectively, she is Princess Garnet and Queen Brahne is her mother, as far as I'm concerned.
I seriously can't remember the details on Elena. I shouldn't have put her there, it's been years since I've played the game, but I already said that.
I did say this already, but let me try to condense it... If she's so awesome-special with her magic abilities, why the hell isn't she the main character? She basically becomes an accessory for the main character to tote around so her powers can be useful at plot-relevant points. Her status as the love interest diminishes her role and her influence on the story by BOATLOADS because the main character has to be the centre of everything.
There's ways to work against this, and this is why I wildly gesture at Kidd from Chrono Cross - she was great because she had her own agenda and didn't follow Serge around for the entire game. (I hear the girl from FFXII is pretty awesome, too, but I haven't gotten far enough to say).
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Because, like most video games, RPGs are aimed at males so they make a male lead for the player to relate to?
But again you clearly aren't playing the same game as the rest of us. Yuna WAS the main character of FF10 for god's sake. The story was all about her and her journey to beat Sin. If anything, it was everyone else who was the "accessory" to her mission. Just because you didn't move her around the screen most of the time means she wasn't a main character? WHAT? Colette was in a similar situation, too. And I'm still boggling over WTF Tear and Garnet are doing there.
Everyone here is jumping at you because of your utter fail in using a term you clearly don't understand. Go to Wikipedia and read what a yamato nadeshiko actual is. Characters like Chi from Chobits, Belldandy from Ah My Goddess and Aoi Sakuraba from Ai Yori Aoshi are the yamato nadeshiko you're looking for.
Just write your slash and leave the reasons you write it out of it. I don't wanna know why anyone writes slash. I just wanna read it.
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These female characters, according to you, all suck...
Because they fall in love with the lead male and happen to use white magic. :/
Edit: Might as well through this in. I only say this because for Elena, you fail to include Millenia, who doesn't use magic, but still happens to fall in love with Ryudo.
You don't include Quistis, who harbors a crush on Squall throughout almost the entire game.
You don't include Natalia, who can't decide WHO she loves until the end of the game.
You don't include Eiko who BLATANTLY has a crush on Zidane.
I mean... Yeah.
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Millenia is not included because I don't find her personality similar. At all.
I don't include Quistis because she isn't Rinoa and does not occupy Rinoa's role in the story.
I don't include Natalia because... dammit, I already said it was a mistake to include Tear and I said it like three times, so can we just skip Tales of the Abyss?
I don't include Eiko because she's not Dagger and does not occupy Dagger's role in the story. Also, she's like six. Six does not make for a real love interest. I hope.
I am so not in the mood for trying to re-hash everything I said about roles.
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Does Squall end up with Selphie?
Does Cloud end up with Yuffie?
Does Tidus end up with Rikku?
Does Senel end up with Norma?
Does Luke end up with Anise? (again, the pedo)
Even if Eiko were not SIX, she still wouldn't even be close to approaching the type that I'm talking about because she's too cheerful and upbeat.
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Blanketing female characters I love under the "they aren't good enough for the men" sucks, but obviously we're going to get blue in the face arguing opinion here.
Because you're not arguing 'role in the story' even though you claim you are, or you would have included Millenia without a DOUBT, because her role in the story is, by definition, no different from Elenas.
You simply don't care for the soft spoken woman, which is fine.
Also, arguing about pairing ages is TL;DR. You should KNOW that age isn't really an object in fandom or loli and shota wouldn't exist.
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It's okay to like slash because it's hot and fun. You don't have to "justify" anything.
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And to further complicate things, when it comes to canon I jump on anything that provides me with good shoujo-ai of the non-fanservice variety... but rarely do I touch the fic, and when I do I'm a total canon-whore. There are a few exceptions, but still. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. o.o
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because i'm like the drunk guy in your basement after a party with a cup on his face...
A.) Play better JRPGs, or;
B.) Replay some of the ones you already know with an open mind, because in some the romantic aspects aren't even central to the plot.
In general I think the Tales series handles the typical "hero's romantic interest" thing infinitely better than, say, Final Fantasy. (Keywords: in general.) I will agree with you that there are more Final Fantasy games than I'd like that feature the silent and withdrawn hero who falls in love with a kind blah blah blah, we get the point, he opens up and becomes less of a dick and they all lived happily ever after. But if you're not willing to grant me that some of the games from which you chose female leads treat the hero/heroine's relationship as being secondary to the main plot, then seriously, just find some better games.
Everyone else has said what I'd like to say, seeing as how I'm late to the party. And I'm sure you could do without all the shit-flinging this has caused. I would like to reiterate, though, that there's no problem in having a hobby simply because you want to, instead of trying to justify it to others. After all, look where it can get you.
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