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[ SECRET POST #2795 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2795 ⌋

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[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]

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[Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers]

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[Jeeves and Wooster]

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[Yahtzee/Zero Punctuation]

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[Markiplier]

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[Jackie Chan Adventures]

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[The Parent Trap]

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[Alexander]

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[Starsky and Hutch]

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Everyone seems to be arguing over whether or not it was obvious that he was non-white before this late-game description. But not many people tackling the 'if you were surprised that he was non-white you have problematic worldview'

I mean. Okay. Say you LEGITIMATELY missed his being non-white. Not because your racist white brain deliberately ignored the obvious clues but because you just didn't register it. I'm a quick reader, and I've been guilty of missing non-emphasized character traits and even minor plot points because I occasionally skim paragraphs. A bad habit, but it's more a lingering trait of my inattentive ADD than genuinely being careless. ANYWAY. I haven't read this book. But say someone had. And they missed the early indications. And they get alllllll the way to the end. And this apparently fairly bland character that they maybe saw as a non-descript white dude turns out to have been a non-descript PoC the whole time. I really. I think it's okay to be surprised. Surprise doesn't equal outrage, you know? If they felt it hadn't been addressed until then, it would be surprising. I would be surprised if I got to the end of the novel and found out the protagonist had flaming red hair. And not because I'm prejudiced against redheads.

If anything, the assumption that any character is white is a reflection of popular media today, not the individual. If you read a lot of books, watch a lot of television, movies, etc. there's gonna be a disproportionately white cast in all of the above. You get used to it, you come to expect it. It doesn't make you a shit person with white preferences because you make a SAFE guess at something. And not even consciously! We're talking about a subconscious assumption.

I don't know. I don't think this is sign of a problematic worldview that needs to be reexamined. I think it's a sign of a problematic world, that has affected our views. Even the most actively non-racist, open-minded and accepting and radical person probably isn't going to assume a character is like.. black and gay and disabled without being told. They might consciously decide they are, which is super cool, but it's not where the mind goes automatically.

Naw, he's not that badly off, he does understand what he's saying and what others are saying to him. He just flubs our grammar and vocabulary at times, especially if the delivery needs to be snappy.

I like your attitude, nonny.

Yeah, I don't necessarily AGREE with the secret now but it at least makes sense to me.

(And seriously, if that was actually Gaiman's answer quoted in the screengrab, it just seems like a condescending British way of saying "You're interrogating the text from the wrong perspective." You can't write a book making every effort to be 'ambiguous' and then retroactively insists that the textually specified 'right' ethnicity is so important that anyone who disagrees read the book improperly.)

Anyone else seen it? What are your thoughts?

Mine are mostly that a) I'm going to be looking up a lot of the "man these censors are dumb as rocks" movies they grabbed clips from (Red River, Ben-Hur, etc, which I'm too young to have seen), and b) I kind of wish they'd do an updated or "sequel" version, because it seems to me that depictions of gay people in movies have changed since 1995, in that in some respects, they've gone back to the subtext-laden "but it's not gay, they're talking about guns!" deal of the Hays era, but there's more of a popular push for open representation (of lots of groups, but QUILTBAG people are more visible, or more in the public eye, anyway).

I've never actually gone anywhere other than /d/. There be monsters out there. (Truth be told, there be monsters on /d/, but they're pretty tightly concentrated.)

No, it's about the same distance away.

Too many people make no effort to understanding anybody with an 'accent'. They just automatically tune out and then say it's too hard.

FIRST

How dare you! It's artistic interpretation.)

I haven't seen it, but thanks for the reminder!

There's...some malice a few times in the last season and towards the end of season 3, but I think those times are the exceptions that prove the rule. Meaning IA with you. There's this great level of trust there.

I'll check /a/ for episode discussions and Boku Girl threads, but that's about it.

I don't cosplay or anything, but following /cgl/ drama is fun. Uh, and I like to check ic/ time from time.

same. That book was blah, the characters were blah, nothing was memorable except maybe the INCREDIBLY OBVIOUS murder mystery.

A "spic" is an offensive slang term that in no way refers to someone who's "european-white". While a "gypsy" can be, plenty of people expect all three of those groups the guard lists as having dark hair and swarthy/dark complexions. That's why the guard rattles them off as possibilities.

Think about it. Your interpretation makes no sense. It'd be like walking up to someone and saying, "Hey, what are you, Swedish? Irish? Chinese?" You wouldn't be likely to do that because one of those things is not like the other. So your idea that the guard is listing off two white groups and one mixed race one is incorrect.

see, I can't get mad at people who like white chocolate because that's clearly a different thing. 95% is a bit strong though, the sweet spot for me is about 85-87.

And yeah, you can definitely talk about chocolates like wines--I've been to a chocolate tasting before, shit was awesome.

where i come from (the u.s.) it is a catchall term for dark skinned hispanics, exclusively latin@s

i have never heard a white hispanic/latin@ called a spic

Judge away! Dark chocolate with rare exceptions is not for me.

inter dimension travell, wtf.

Thanks for the retelling!

Inspired by a recent situation in which I was talking about work, and someone commented that it sounded like one of my bosses and one of my coworkers were being passive-aggressive with me. That confused the hell out of me because I always thought they were perfectly nice - the boss is just as introverted and socially awkward as I am and kind of a perfectionist at times, and as such corrects us on smaller details frequently (and given that we're a major tourist destination, it's pretty justifiable, too). Meanwhile, one of my coworkers has made a few mistakes that led to both of us getting written up, but seeing as those mistakes were all in the same 'area' (namely mixing up times for things), I never saw it as any kind of attempt to sabotage me - just someone who doesn't do well with clocks when they're in a rush or under pressure (same way I don't always do well with small talk with customers, we all have our weak points).

I was thinking about that, ended up being reminded of an old thread in fandom way, way back, where someone mentioned having replied to an annoying review with a very passive-aggressive reply, but when I looked at it, it seemed perfectly nice to me - which surprised the person who left it, as they were definitely being "maliciously polite".

I've also had incidents in the past where people would say that someone was being passive-aggressive to me, when I thought they were being perfectly nice. Similarly, I've been called passive-aggressive in situations where I was just being a little overly-formal but otherwise polite, both in real life and online. I don't do passive-aggressive (I just do aggressive-aggressive), so this always confuses the hell out of me.

What exactly is passive-aggressive, and why bother doing it if you intend for both you and the 'receiving' party to know that there is malicious intent on your part? How do you tell it apart from being polite or formal or whatever? Because apparently I don't know how to tell apart passive-aggressive for formal/polite, unless "any form of criticism or negative comment is passive-aggressive", which...how do you criticize someone without being passive-aggressive, if you mean well/just have to correct them as part of a related duty or whatever (i.e. work, editing, etc.)?

I am so confused, right now.

I remember when I watched that show when I was growing up, I kept thinking "He looks nothing like Jackie Chan." I really enjoyed the show though; I've always loved shows based around collecting things.

People ask me if I'm mixed race because I have a big butt and "asian" eyes. I'm the whitest girl ever with white ancestors. I've been asked if I'm Polynesian, part-black, and a few other things.

I could've written this secret about X-Files or Fringe.

This is what I got out of it too. It's not like the guard was expressing any genuine curiosity so I thought he was just trying to be insulting.

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How do you define passive aggressive?

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