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⌈ Secret Post #2805 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I hold my tongue 90% of the time when it comes to politics online*, but I'm just going to welcome the shit-storm for once.

Why do people act surprised when a Jewish person supports Israel? Do you really think that we're going to denounce the only country in the world that will stand for us the next time we get turned on by the local population? I support Israel because I believe it will support me if I need it. And if you say I have a persecution complex, go open a fucking history book.

*Because GODDAMMIT it took every bit of my self-control when someone on my facebook said something like, "if you don't think raising the minimum wage is the best idea EVAR for EVERY REASON you shouldn't be my friend". I said nothing than, I'm gonna say something now.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's anything wrong with you supporting Israel. The question is what it means to support Israel, and whether that means approving of all its actions. If your attitude is seriously that you should support Israel 100%, with no criticism, no matter what it does, then yes, I do think that's wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

I think supporting any entity like that is wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm with you - (and then I'm going to walk the hell away from this whole thread because my nerves can't take it)

I mean, let's face it, Jews in other countries DID NOT WORK OUT WELL. In fact, it's still not! Schoolkids in Australia attacked? Jews in New York attacked on the streets and beaten? Shops looted in France? is this the fucking Middle Ages or what?

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is still a bestseller. Hell, one of the Hamas spokespeople resurrected a fucking blood libel on TV. Jews were blamed, in Arab media, for the goddam tsunami in Japan.

I live in Israel, and let me tell you, the only difference is that our soldiers are better at protecting us than the Hamas (because hey, our soldiers don't use us as human shields, woohoo). We've had hundreds of rockets per day shot at us. It's like somebody standing in front of you with a machine gun and shooting and shooting and the police saying they won't convict him because he missed.

[(Anonymous)]

You built your country on land that was already occupied, and did noting to try and win over the pre-existing populace but instead herded them into ghettos and built walls around them. #NoSympathy.

[(Anonymous)]

lol, the Arabs have been attacking them there since even before Israel was formed

[(Anonymous)]

... and if you are making that statment and live in the US ... well, let us savor the irony.

[(Anonymous)]

So does that mean the surviving native Americans would be right to start fucking up some whities?

Can native Americans start using human shields and start killing white Americans? and still be considered to be in the right with the press? Because that shit is overdue for them.

Does that mean the IRA where the good guys?

Oh, no, they were the bad guys. The native American uprising would be a bad thing. Know why? Because in both those scenarios the people they would be attacking are not jews.
If you want to do bad guy things, and be thought of as the good guys, make sure you pick on the jews.
And this mentality is fucking everywhere, and is the reason Israel is taking precisely ZERO% shit from anyone attacking them.

[insanenoodlyguy]

What actions were right or wrong in your opinion, there was no fucking winning over the locals. That was never going to happen.

[(Anonymous)]

Like there was any chance of "winning over" the pre-existing populace, are you that fucking naive?

Also, my history textbook may have been biased or incorrect, but weren't the Arabs the first ones to attack, with the PLO and all that?

[(Anonymous)]

To what end? How far would you go in this support? Is there any limit to what you think Israel should be able to do?

[(Anonymous)]

DA (that is also from Israel- woo there's more than one of us???)

I always hate it when people outside of Israel ask that question- because it's so obvious they know NOTHING about what is going on here. Do you think all Israelis are monoliths who think the same? Do you not realize we have our own internal issues, our left and right, our minorities, our discourse based on our experience in our country that we actually have to live in? What kind of a question is that- "To what end"? What do you expect, that at some point Israelis will lift their hands up and say "oh, yeah, this totally crosses the line, so I now want Israel to be destroyed"? This isn't going to happen.

[(Anonymous)]

Am not Jewish and I agree with you. Can't Jewish people have one fucking country?

You lost that war, Arabs. Move.

[(Anonymous)]

Ouch. I'm not Jewish or Arab, and this? - "You lost that war, Arabs. Move." - is ridiculously simplistic.

I'm sure that if the same thing were to happen to you, and you found yourself on the wrong side of a conflict that you may not even have participated in, you'll happily pick up and leave everything you have, and move for the greater good. Only to find that no other countries will take you in, because there's way too many of you.

[(Anonymous)]

how about no one moves

[(Anonymous)]

Yes.

And to add to that--stop starting wars you can't win. Israel always finishes your wars for you. And then you fucking whine that you lost and how it must've been unfair. (Cf., Lisa Halaby/Queen Noor's autobiography. Fascinating story but my God, did she whine about Israel winning wars that the Palestinians had started.) I actually saw, more than once, people on tumblr arguing that Israel should allow themselves to be bombed because they were so superior. I had to tell one poster "that's not how war works. If someone else starts the war, you play to win and you finish the war."

[(Anonymous)]

>Yeah I'm with you
>I live in Israel

big shocker

[(Anonymous)]

Please tell me you're a troll. No one can be such a piece of shit. So as long as Israel stand for you, they can murder as many innocent people as they want! You're disgusting.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right they should support the people trying to kill them instead

[(Anonymous)]

Why not? Europe supporting the Nazis.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, at least they're honest about their self-interest. But that one-sided self-interest definitely won't be helping solve any conflicts.

[(Anonymous)]

You say that like there's a solution to this conflict that won't end with my people wiped out. Because those are the terms one side wants here: kill all the Jews, period.

[(Anonymous)]

I support Israel because I believe it will support me if I need it.

So long as you don't support Israel because you think they're right. Like, I've got friends and family members who can commit cold-blooded murder and I'll support them because I know they would support me in the same circumstances, so I get that, but I'm still not gonna justify the murder. It is what is. That's what people get pissed about.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh spare us with your whining about getting your white ass persecuted in the United States.

[(Anonymous)]

Not all Jews are white. Take you SJW crap back to Tumblr.