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(Note: I'm fully aware of how hypocritical I'm being for whining about this but this is titled the venting thread. So here goes:)

I'm tired of the canon shippers in my fandom complaining about how they have fewer fics, people tag the pairing in the fic and break them up, or people write meta against their pairing.

You have canon. EVERYONE is fucking forced to watch your stupid pairing no matter how much they despise it. And some people want to write canon-compliant fic. Which means DEALING WITH the canon pairing. And they tag it because there are a lot of people who don't want to read it. The tag is there to tell the readers of the CONTENT of the fic. And if you have half a brain, it should be obvious that the canon pairing isn't going to be endgame if there's a rival ship listed.

If you don't want to read meta against your pairing or find fan fiction that breaks up your pairing, there are plenty of other options.

For one, you can restrict your involvement in fandom to JUST FRIENDS who also ship it. You can keep your pairing's fan fiction on a shipping comm on live journal or such. You can fucking use the google site search feature to look for your pairing and EXCLUDE rival pairings.

Christ, you're the most privileged of all the shippers. Why the fuck are you always complaining? If you hate the fandom then GTFO.

It's like being at a restaurant that has a great meal and only has key lime pie for dessert. You fucking love key lime pie and are happy, but most people don't particularly like it. They'll eat it because they have to, but they'll try to make and enjoy their own desserts instead. Who cares if they're trash talking your favorite dessert?

As a canon shipper I can see both sides, I have been frustrated before, but I don't bash things other people like as long as they don't bash what I like.

See, I don't care about pairing or character bashing. Bash away! They aren't real. And I can totally understand not liking certain elements of a work.

But when you start complaining about PEOPLE in fandom -- real people -- then that's when I get pissed off.

Who the fuck cares if someone wants to write meta about why Hermione and Ron don't work and Harry and Hermione would be better? I fucking don't.

What annoys me is when people start tearing into other fans. As long as the fan isn't being a bigot, what does it matter what their opinion is? If they want to write a post about how boring they find Ron, who cares? We're already stuck with it onscreen…why can't we vent in a fandom space?

I understand defending yourself if someone calls you an idiot for liking Ron. Or wanting to write pro-Ron meta. But why complain about people in fandom and say how awful THEY (not fictional aspects of the work) are just because they don't agree with you?

nayrt

Because usually it's not because they don't agree with you. It's because of the mean-spiritedness and attitude they have while not agreeing with you.

Yeah, but calling a character a fucktard isn't hurting anyone. Does someone saying chocolate is disgusting keep you from enjoying it? I don't think that's true.

And I don't see the harm if someone wants to complain about having to eat chocolate if they're being forced to eat it to have other parts of the meal.

If they're saying "only fucktards eat chocolate," then that's one thing. But I do think there's a difference between one person saying "Urgh, chocolate is DISGUSTING." And someone else saying, "You're a whiny bitch for saying chocolate's disgusting."

To me, insulting a real person is always worse.

I don't know if I'm making sense here, but that's just my general sentiment.

AYRT

Oh, yeah, that's stupid. I shipped Ron/Hermione but I had huge issues with my shipper friends who'd be all "lol let's troll H/Hr forums and fight with people!" No. I'm not going to do that. Because I'm an adult, and that's the sort of thing children do, not adults. Except adults in fandom, apparently. It scares me how many of the worst offenders were/are in their thirties and forties.

I'd theoretically agree with you (because seriously, why is it such a big traumatic deal to run into a fic that breaks up your pairing).

But your "everyone is FORCED to watch your STUPID pairing" isn't winning you any points in the 'reasonable' category, hon. You sound just as whiny and entitled as the people you're complaining about.

Yeah…I know.

The thing is, I don't go around and say that to people who ship it. It's not like I say "YOUR PAIRING IS DUMB AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR LIKING IT."

I just write meta about WHY I don't ship it (not tagging it with the ship name).

The reason I say this is because I saw one canon shipper post a screenshot of a summary for a fan fiction that DOWNPLAYED the canon pairing (basically re-interpreted the scenes to delegitimize the pairing) and started saying AWFUL things about the author.

And…I just don't understand. The pairing ISN'T real. The characters AREN'T real. Say 10,000 awful things about them and no one is hurt (unless you're being a bigot in regards to your dislike), but attacking a real person -- an author -- just feels awful to me.

And I know my rant was over-the-top. I just figured it would fit with the theme of "venting."

I can sorta feel you one some respects -but mostly because of my experiences with "IT'S CANON YOU MUST LIKE IT"- type shippers.

Though if you don't mind me presenting another perspective, sometimes the way canon does it sucks. Then people who liked the ship only to see it fail miserably have to deal with that. Sometimes when something becomes canon it gets kinda ruined by poor execution. and it sucks to see that happen to your ship and you just have to deal with it, so I wouldn't always say canon shippers have everything.

Edited 2014-09-21 20:53 (UTC)

I agree. But I'm just tired of seeing non-canon shippers labeled as awful.

I don't see anything wrong with saying you think a ship or a character is awful and you don't like them.

Calling out awful behavior is fine -- if people are being bigoted or attacking you personally for liking a canon pair, for instance. But I'm sick of all the generalizations being thrown at non-canon shippers because a ship can be HUGE and include an ENORMOUS number of people. And making generalizations about all of them kind of makes you a dick, in my book.

Ahhh

I agree there.

I once wrote a post that criticized the way that Danny/Sam was written and even though I stated that I didn't hate the concept I got a comment by this hyper-defensive shipper "nobody cares bitch" with insulting angry gifs. According to her tags I was an "anti-shipper"

I went to look at her deviant art page. A whole section of it was a shrine to the pairing saying "It's canon deal with it" and stamps that said pathetic things like "they just hate her because they're jealous"

Creeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepy

I mostly agree with you.

But to me this is my feelings on non-canon juggernauts too. They have like 80+% of the fandom, why are they so threatened if a lesser amount of people like other conflicting ships. Uhg.

Yeah -- I agree that bashing people for liking other ships is a dick move. At the same time, though, your ship being a juggernaut in fandom still doesn't change anything when it comes to the latest book, or episode, or film coming out. You're still stuck watching your pairing being apart and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. It can sour an otherwise fun experience which is why when people complain about the main pairing, I don't really see the harm, personally.

Fair enough.

And by "watching your pairing be apart" do you mean not interacting at all by expense for the canon pair?

And I feel like I should add I'm not a canon shipper, just usually a rarer pair non-canon shipper.

I mean that you have to watch characters that you see amazing chemistry between go to other people to express romantic affection. To be honest, for me this is personally very frustrating because the pairings I tend to ship are often extremely emotionally intimate friendships between the most developed characters with the most screen time together. And then I have to watch them go and kiss another character and…I just don't buy it. The canon pair can be shown kissing as many times as you want, but it always pales in comparison to the devotion and sacrifice the characters of my ship express towards one another. Which is why it's so frustrating that I'm stuck watching these shallow canon love stories when I find the friendship so much more compelling and having so much more chemistry.

Physicality is no substitute for an emotionally well-developed relationship.

I understand your frustration as a rarer pair non-canon shipper.

I ship Sam/Steve in MCU and treasure each and every fic I come across. I mean…I get why Bucky/Steve is so popular (HOLY CHRIST the potential for hurt/comfort, the intensity, the woobieness, etc.) but there's a special place in my heart for Sam/Steve.

(Note that Peggy/Steve isn't an example of a shallow love story in my opinion as I quite like Peggy. I just brought up Sam/Steve as an example of a rarer pair.)

Oh, thanks! And fair enough. I quite understand what you mean, especially the first paragraph. I wish those shallow romances didn't have to be shoe-horned into everything. Not everything needs romance. It's ridiculous.

And I'm not in MCU so I don't have an opinion there.

x1000 and ESPECIALLY if their canon pairing is a het pairing and they're whining about being underrepresented in fandom, I want them strangled with piano wire

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