[ SECRET POST #2823 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2823 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 018 secrets from Secret Submission Post #403.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/BVfyHC2.png

[(Anonymous)]

Anime has tons of iffy tropes, but it's actually my one reliable source for femslash pairings. I just can't ship characters who don't have compelling relationships in canon.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[morieris]

Why does it make you sad? Did you expect it to be inferior to LA and are disappointed that it isn't?

[(Anonymous)]

I take it as more disappointed that foreign media gets this right while our own media can't.

[morieris]

Well why wouldn't they? It's not like meaningful female media is totally unheard of, and the Western country of your choice is the forerunner in changing it. (Unless you mean that they probably don't know about the test and their shows just happen to pass it)

[(Anonymous)]

For me, it's that specifically JAPANESE media is better than our media.

When the fucking Japanese are producing less sexist shit than we are, we need to take a good long look at what we have let ourselves become.

[stabbystabbyzebra]

I'd be sad if the stuff my country put out was of an inferior quality.

[(Anonymous)]

Sigh... if only more Western live action shows had tons of infantilized female characters blatantly designed to be fetishized lust objects for male viewers... damn you, Western media! From hell's heart I stab at thee!

And you just proved the point of Secret 1.

[(Anonymous)]

As opposed to overly sexualized female characters who only talk about men and exist around the men and are blatantly designed to be fetishized lust objects for male viewers.

[(Anonymous)]

I took the point to be that anime has those kinds of gross tropes and yet still manages to get this very basic thing right while media that avoids those particular gross tropes fails at that same basic thing.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not difficult to pass the Bechdel test when "hey otaku, look at all these moe girls interacting with each other!" is the primary thrust of what you're doing.
Fortunately, the Bechdel test is not meant to be the sole and all-encompassing means by which media's representation of women can be assessed.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

No, not the sole means, but it is the basic foundation. That the culture that more than any other thrives on rape and continued abuse and degradation of women has a solid foundation in it's media for feminist growth, and we do not... that's fucking awful.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure there's a part of it that's pandering to otaku into moe girls but there's also lots of other anime/manga with great interactions between female characters that aren't for fanservice's sake.

[(Anonymous)]

Calling "moe" is getting precisely as meaningless as calling "Mary-Sue". Half the time, it's just BS generalizations based on totally undefined specifications of what the term means.

[(Anonymous)]

My experience has been the same as yours. I have no problems finding female characters in anime who have their own story arcs that don't revolve around romance.

But in Western media? If the female character doesn't start out with a romance arc, chances are she'll end up being shoved into one by the second or third season.

[(Anonymous)]

If she doesn't have one by the end of the FIRST season.

[(Anonymous)]

Recs please? I'm starting to get back into anime, and that sounds like the kind of thing I'd be interested in.

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from, but passing the Bechdel Test doesn't mean the thing has great female characters. But then, I don't know how the target audience sees these characters. A lot of them do tend to be simple, idealized 'types', but do male anime fans see them as people? And does this affect their views on the real world? All I know about is Western anime fans, who may have been influenced by our media, and a few stories of otaku being terrible.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely misread this and thought you said your own life failed the Bechdel test :-P

[(Anonymous)]

There's an easy way to fix that one.

[(Anonymous)]

That test is pretty meaningless. I don't know why people take it so seriously. Do you like something in and of itself? Do you like the female characters? That's what should count.

[(Anonymous)]

It's nothing to do with quality, I think. The point of the comic seemed to be that most movies didn't have many female characters at all, let alone female MCs.

[i_paint_the_sky]

I don't know which anime you are watching, OP (well, other than the 3 in the secret) but I'd say the stuff I watch handles the test about as well as anything else out there (so the majority fail it most of the time).