[ SECRET POST #2858 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2858 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Gonna be honest here…I didn't like her because she made a terrible first impression on me. I hated that she talked to Kirk like he was a moron who would have no idea what xenolinguistics was. It was condescending and elitist. And what's worse is she later goes on to call him a "dumb hick who only has sex with farm animals."

It made her seem…well…kind of prejudiced to be honest. At the very least, she didn't seem to mind throwing out stereotypes as insults.

I think it really got to me because it came right on the heels of the really serious discrimination Spock was facing for being half-human. And putting Uhura's scene back to back with that just wasn't a good idea. Especially since it's her introduction.

It also really hurt the believability of the romance for me since I really couldn't see Spock going for someone with that kind of mindset given what he'd experienced.

[(Anonymous)]

She only got on the Enterprise because she was sleeping with Spock too.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT…I don't think that was the case. Given that she was more competent than the dude manning the station, I believe her when she says that she earned a place and that Spock put her on the Farragut to avoid the appearance of favoritism.

What I don't get is why she stayed his girlfriend after he pulled something like that. A guy who is willing to throw your career under the bus to cover his ass doesn't love you. I don't know why she would put up with something like that and it made it hard for me to empathize with her given how much importance I put on my job and career prospects.

I certainly wouldn't stay with someone who disrespected me the way Spock did.

[(Anonymous)]

There is more to placement than grades. And since Spock was fucking her, and Spock was down as Enterprise's XO she should not have been expecting a placement under his command specifically to avoid that conflict of interest. Then, in the middle of the biggest crisis in the Federation's history since Jonathon Archer was made a Captain, she decided to pick a fight over placements when everyone was trying to ship out. She used her relationship with Spock to get him to change the placement because she felt her ego was hurt. Again, in the middle of a crisis. Whether you think Spock was unprofessional or not by making sure that his g/f wasn't going to be a conflict of interest is by-the-by, Uhura showed she was unprofessional by picking to have her little Ego-spat during an emergency.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you to a point. I think both of their behavior was pretty awful. In Spock's case, I don't know why he didn't just ask someone else to assign her in his stead if he was worried about favoritism. For Uhura, I agree that the middle of a crisis was not the time and place to confront Spock about it.

Either way, it's their first scene together and it's hugely dysfunctional.

I think another problem with the scene is that the first time you view it, you don't know that Uhura is Spock's girlfriend. And so it seems as though it's just a cadet talking to her commanding officer/former professor like that. And given Uhura's tone of voice, it comes off as exceedingly disrespectful. I think it would have worked better if we had known beforehand that she was his girlfriend.

Anyway, it's just a very, very poor scene and it's one of the reasons I hate how the Spock/Uhura pairing was done. There's no respect or communication going on between them.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking thank you this. She didn't get on the Enterprise BECAUSE she was sleeping with Spock. She was initially put on the Farragut BECAUSE she was sleeping with Spock, because SPOCK somehow thought having his lover onboard was going to complicate things for HIM; not thinking about how it would affect her career. Yes, she convinced him to put her on the Enterprise, but that was because she knew she had the scores to be there and not on the Farragut (I would imagine if there wasn't the crisis on Vulcan, she might have taken it to Captain Pike if Spock had refused to change things)

[(Anonymous)]

When two officers are in a relationship it is 100% appropriate that the junior officer, regardless of gender, should be posted out of the chain of command of the senior one. In this case since Spock is XO of Enterprise Uhura should not have been on that boat, due to issues that the sequel amply demonstrates, and her posting to the Farragut was completely appropriate. She was out of line protesting, both on grounds for her protest and time of her protest. Spock might have been a dick about the way he handled her posting, she should have been called into a meeting and had that quietly explained to her well in advance-although with a full on crisis this might not have been possible, but it was the correct call. Grades are only one part of your career, one very small part. Grades alone do not get you the plum posting, especially when you are in a relationship with someone in the chain of command of that posting.

[(Anonymous)]

You're still putting the cart before the horse with this argument, though.

The original argument is that she only got placed on the Enterprise because she was sleeping with Spock. In actuality, she would have originally been placed on the Enterprise if she hadn't been sleeping with Spock -- this is said, outright, and you seem to acknowledge it.

The inappropriateness of their argument (and their relationship) is one thing; her placement on the Enterprise is another. Take away their relationship, and she would have been there. That means that their relationship wasn't the primary reason for her being there.

[lunabee34]

Yep. Spock initially denied her the posting she deserved because they were in a relationship, not the other way around.

[(Anonymous)]

The first reason is actually why I disliked her. It seems like writers have a habit of taking it too far and they shoot way past "character with some attitude" into "asshole with dickish dialogue" area.

[(Anonymous)]

When did "attitude" change from being "upbeat and can-do" to "bitchy, disagreeable asshole" anyway?

[nayance]

Same. Not so much because of the prejudices (it did seem really petty, shallow, and stupid), but I can't stand condescending better-than-you characters, especially not if it's used to try and make her seem more intelligent. It doesn't. It just made her look petty, immature, and insecure.

[dragonimp]

Yeah. I get that they were going for "shooting down the chauvinistic asshole" but what they landed on was "elitist snob".

[elaminator]

I didn't like that scene either, but at the same time I feel like most the main characters in the reboot had asshole moments, so...I guess I let it slide and didn't take it too seriously. (Like the movies in general, really. I like them but they're popcorn flicks.)

I don't have a strong opinion on her character either way though (and agree with everyone up-thread talking about how fantastic NN was, and how this Uhura is quite different), but I do think Zoe probably did as much that she could with what she was given.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I agree. It definitely wasn't just Uhura. Kirk got on my nerves constantly. Spock had the worst moment when he brought up Kirk's dead father just to score a cheap hit (WTF was that -- low blow). I think what bothers me with Uhura, especially, though is that the others -- both Kirk and Spock -- get castigated and get better as a result. She doesn't.

Kirk gets beaten up, gets chewed out by superior officers, has to suffer and experience fear. And he grows up and is far more likable by the end of Star Trek Into Darkness as a result. Same with Spock -- losing his mother and his planet seems to have softened him somewhat.

With Uhura, that never happens. She's always right. No one dislikes her. And she never gets a moment for character growth as a result. Even when she's doing something blatantly wrong -- like having a fight with her boyfriend on a mission -- the film goes out of its way to set her up as in the right. (Kirk says "leave me out of it" but then concedes "she is right"). And some of her behavior in the second film STILL bothers me -- like when she's giving Spock the silent treatment even though there's suggestions that he could be suicidal/have a martyr complex/has PTSD. And…that's just not the way to handle it. I also hate that she makes it about her -- "you didn't think what it would do TO ME."

I don't know. I'm not a huge fan of Zoe either way, but I really don't like the way Uhura's been written.

[(Anonymous)]

The choosing the middle of a mission to have a fight with her boyfriend, who is also her superior, shows that she should never have been posted to the same ship as him. If only someone had had the foresight to post her elsewhere. Oh, wait.

[elaminator]

Yeaaa, the fighting on the ship didn't make her (or anyone) look good, tbh. I know it was played for laughs, but even the fact that Kirk eventually agreed with her annoyed me. Again, all I can say to that is that these films aren't exactly masterpieces, and the writing isn't always on point. (I agree with you in that I do think both Spock and Kirk changed throughout the movies, but Uhura didn't seem to. She didn't really have her own arc. Maybe next film? ...Though I wouldn't count on it.)

If you don't like Uhura and Spock's relationship then I can understand your dislike because she isn't given much else to do. (I don't like them together either, but at this point I'm just resigned to action flicks 'needing' romances.)

[(Anonymous)]

how dare a woman to be mean with the poor guy who is trying to flirt with her even though she had repeatedly made it clear that she's not interested and she maybe just wants to have a nice time and drink her drinks in peace without a random drunk guy harassing her because she's pretty.

It's all the more ironical because you're calling Uhura a racist just to defend Kirk of all the people. Kirk who, saved for MCcoy, is racist about Spock's alieness all the time.