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I don't think people should be made fun of because they are fat. However I dont think we should pretend it is not terribly unhealthy. because it is. If there are two people who are the same in every aspect but one is overweight, the overweight one will be unhealthier.

Also, some of the "fat acceptance movement" practices are dangerous. No it is not bad for a parent to stop their child from eating every fucking thing in the house. Nor is it bad for a parent to make their child work out and lose weight.

And yes, your being overweight affects me. Overweight people require more health services and if you are uninsured, I will be paying for that.

"And yes, your being overweight affects me. Overweight people require more health services and if you are uninsured, I will be paying for that."

Actually, I recall reading that, overall, overweight people cost society LESS because they live less long and thus don't require the extremely expensive elderly care that slimmer people do.

Oh, if only fat people actually ALL died younger. Hope springs eternal, I suppose.

Yes that's a very reasonable point to make in debate about obesity. Hoping all fat people die. Yes I do believe you're sincere and committed to this conversation.

So we'll accept the bullshit tobacco companies used to use as an argument this time around? Come on. That was a stupid idea then and it's stupid now.

I agree that being overweight is all things equal less healthy. But to me the point with weight and health is that health is a continuum, not a binary state, and there are a lot of different ways to be more or less healthy, and transporting standards of physical beauty into health doesn't help anyone with that.

Or to put it in other terms, screaming "Lose some weight, fatty!" at someone is not actually medical advice

Yeah, many things affect health. But there is never a time when a doctor will go, "You know, being 100 pounds overweight is really helping your health!"

Of course not. That's not my point. My point is the conversation shouldn't begin and end with "you're a hundred pounds overweight". And also that it's a conversation to have with a doctor not with random people on the street. Not to mention the kind of implicit moral judgment that often sneaks in under the cover of a supposed concern with health.

A lot of weight-related health issues are cumulative over time, though. It's not like you eat a cake and suddenly you're diabetic and your arteries are clogged up and your joints can no longer support you.

So you can remain at a heavier weight for some time before the effects begin to show. Unfortunately, by the time they do you're looking at long-term and chronic conditions that will only get worse and need more and more intervention.

So if you're 20 and 100 lbs overweight (which I was close to) then you can get away for a good few years with your blood pressure, sugar levels, cholesterol etc. in a 'healthy' range. But if you KEEP doing what you're doing, in 20 years they're not going to be.

Again I'm not trying to say that being overweight isn't unhealthy.

A lot of weight-related health issues are cumulative over time, though.

THIS, a thousand times. My aunt was overweight for years. It wasn't a big deal at first, but she ended up needing a knee replacement in her 50s because the extra stress on her joints wrecked her knees. Her knees are permanently fucked up because of it, but it wasn't something that was noticeable right away.

And yes, your being overweight affects me. Overweight people require more health services and if you are uninsured, I will be paying for that.

Then wouldn't it make more sense to focus on how unhealthy it is to be uninsured than how unhealthy it is to be fat?

And yes, your being overweight affects me. Overweight people require more health services and if you are uninsured, I will be paying for that.

Which would be equally true of every single potentially unhealthy habit or lifestyle choice anyone makes. Strangely enough, I don't ever see this same logic applied to people's drinking, or choice to ride a motorcycle, or the hideous strain a lot of athletes inflict on their bodies.

I once had that conversation with a coworker. I don't think I convinced her, but at least I shut her up.

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tbh I would be fine with those people paying more for insurance too. It's just basic common sense that someone who engages in risky behavior or unhealthy lifestyle choices is putting themselves at more risk for health problems than people who don't do those things.

Your car insurance payments go up if you're the cause of an accident because you're considered to be more of a liability. Why shouldn't health insurance work the same way?

I have no idea where you are, but charging people who cause self-inflicted injury or illness (be it obesity, smoking, drinking/drug-related problems etc.) is always brought up when it comes to health service funding.

Your choices to e.g. ride motorcyles or participate in any other dangerous activity is already factored into your insurance premiums for those activities.

Then we might as well kill everyone who's got lifelong problems since they require more health services and can't always get insurance.

"And yes, your being overweight affects me. Overweight people require more health services"

I had a coworker who advanced that proposition (we live in a land of universal health care funded by taxes.) She also thought people who smoked should not get care for illnesses they had "brought upon themselves." So I asked her whether, if I fell off my horse and broke a bone, I should be penalized because I had engaged in a dangerous sport. Or if she, a runner, should be penalized if she eventually needed work on her knees. If we start down the path of "you brought that on yourself" there is no telling where we'll end up. It certainly won't end with punishing the fatties.

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