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[ SECRET POST #2960 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2960 ⌋

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This makes no sense. Are you seriously suggesting that not leaving a fanfic instantly accessible on a server somewhere is equivalent to removing a book off your bookshelf?

No, I'm saying you can't claim ownership to something once you put it out there and give it to other people. You've given up your right to it. It's no longer yours. And this is understood and accepted for virtually everything except media.

Are you just stupid, or...?

When you buy that toaster, you are buying a single item, the toaster. You are not buying:

a) the design copyright
b) the tech copyright
c) the right to make copies of that toaster and sell them yourself

You are purchasing the single toaster. Like you're purchasing the right to listen to a song, or watch a movie, or read a book. If that company decides to stop making that toaster, there's fuck all you can do about it. If an individual decides to stop distributing your access to their creative product, there's fuck all you can do about that either.

Are YOU stupid, because I'm talking about someone demanding that you give back the toaster you bought, not suddenly owning a copyright because you buy a toaster.

Nope, still thinking your stupid because that's a nonsensical leap to make from authors having the right to take down their fics.

We haven't been talking about that for five or six comments.

No, we have.

YOU haven't been, because you've made that huge leap, and people have told you why it makes no sense, but other than that? No.

It isn't a huge leap when someone outright said that they don't like people saving their fic because, if they choose to take it down, there's a copy still out there.

ONE person. One person in this whole thread said that, and what they said was that it was "disrepsectful" not that it was wrong.

And if you'll notice, that was a comment in response to a question about your massive derailment, so your defensive little tangent came first.

But it's not an uncommon view, which is the view I have a problem with.

And I have a problem with entitlement, and with dumb and misinformed arguments.

I guess we'll both have to deal with views we don't like, won't we?

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So you'd be fine if someone came and took all your fanfics (or anything else you create) and since you've posted them online you've relinquished all ownership of them so that person can publish them as their own, or sell them, or do whatever they want with it, right? It's not yours anymore after all, so you have no right to say what happens to it at all.

Because by your argument, you shouldn't have any problems with them doing that.

There's nothing you can do about it once it's out there, unless you've gone through the process of getting protections for it, which you can't do with unlicensed fanworks, which are technically stealing creations from someone else to begin with. But that's besides the point, which is that you can't demand someone give back something you've given to them.

Ugh, I'm going to go slow here, okay?

By. Sharing. Work. Fanfic. Or. Otherwise. You. Are. Not. GIVING. Anyone. Anything.

You are posting it on a freely accessible platform. The platform itself could go bust. The archive could be shut down. The site may delete your work anyway.

You. Have. Not. GIVEN. ANYONE. ANYTHING.

You literally CAN'T even 'give' anyone fanfic because like you say, it's not yours TO give even if you wanted to, which you can't.

Semantics. Sharing something IS giving it away. If I share my pie with someone, then they've eaten that portion, and I can't get it back or demand that they vomit it up because "well I was just sharing, not giving."

LOL, okay, you go argue "it's semantics!" with IP lawyers, I'll wait.

And you still clearly don't understand the differences between a concrete item and the nebulous right-of-access involved in intangible products.

They seem to think it's the same thing, since sharing is considered stealing. And a physical piece of media isn't intangible, considering it's physical.

For fuck's sakes...

I appreciate you're probably from Generation Entitlement and think that all content should be Free Information (except, funnily enough, when it comes to THEIR OWN creative content, nope, that's off limits), but let's try this anyway.

SHARING IS NOT STEALING.

DISTRIBUTING SOMETHING YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO DISTRIBUTE IS NOT LEGAL. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

IT'S GOOD THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DISTRIBUTING THINGS THEN.

And lol no, nice assumptions, there. I accept that if I put something that I create out there into the world, I no longer have an ounce of control over it. And I never said a goddamned thing about everything being free. Half of this has involved a discussion of purchases, which kinda means that I obviously don't have any problem with people selling their shit if they wish to and are able.

Then what are you talking about? You've derailed this with a halfassed and illinformed argument about people making copies of fanfics, and someone said that they thought having those copies around -- i.e. that distribution could continue even after they'd exerted their right to remove the fic -- was disrespectful.

And now you're contradicting yourself. If there was no control over the work out there, then the entire economy of media as a consumer good would not exist. Obviously you have control. That's what copyright is for. That's what contracts are for. That's what your publishing company's legal department is for.

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When someone eats a slice of pie, that slice is gone. When someone reads a fanfic, the fanfic is not used up. It's still there.

Kind of like how you can use a toaster over and over again.

And you have a magical toaster than is never going to break or need replacing, do you?

What does that have to do with owning the original toaster? The fact it's broken doesn't mean you don't still own it.

Because if it breaks, you can't start cloning it if it's been discontinued.

Because if a fic is gone from the internet, you have no rights whatsoever when it comes to that decision.