[ SECRET POST #3022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Angel]


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03.
[Steven Moffat]


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[Harry Potter]


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05.
[Trailer Park Boys]


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(The Little Flying Bears)


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07.
[Once Upon a Time]


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08.
[Felicia Day]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory]


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[Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]


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[The Simpsons - Tapped Out]


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[Red Dwarf]


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[Kyuhyun/Super Junior]


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[X-Files]


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[Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy]


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[Madame Secretary]


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18.
[Amanda Palmer]








Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 075 secrets from Secret Submission Post #432.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Well do you feel Rumple's entitled to a happy ending?

I ask because I find it so many people either stand for Rumple to get his happy ending, and say Regina shouldn't get hers, or vice versa.

Rumple is the worst on the show. Seriously he's killed more than her, done worse shit all for his own self interest, etc. But fans just love to drag Regina exclusively through the wringer and say she deserves no happy ending, and they take this spoon feed apologetic "let's feel sorry for Rumple" bullshit the writers are feeding us this season.

I'm not a Regina stan, but if going by your definition there are a lot of people who don't deserve happy endings on this show and I'm sick of the fandom prioritizing that shit stain Rumple. The whole thing of Regina not deserving a happy ending just smacks of misogyny.

[ozaline]

This!


Out of the two Regina is the only one who has shown any commitment to self improvement.

Regina has tried to get to her happy ending by following the rules, and making amends... Rumple chooses the quick/easy route every time because he will always be a coward, and he can never have enough power.

I'm not a Regina-stan and as I said elsewhere I'd rather ship Emma, and Elsa than Emma/Regina...

But yeah Regina's miles ahead of Rumple on the path to becoming a decent person, and always will be. I agree with you.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Rumple was making progress until his son was killed.

[(Anonymous)]

I think they'll always use Rumple as fodder to be the one who screws shit up, but at the same time they try their damnedest to make him the nicest villain on the block who deserves his happy ending the most. He's that one villain that can always be a dick and get away with it.

I do feel slightly bad because Robert seems so sad with how they've played his character out.

[ozaline]

He kinda was, but no one forced him to have to imprison the fairies, and the apprentice, and try to kill Hook to free himself from the dagger. No one forced him to switch his dagger for a fake in the first place.

They said it in the first half of season 4, Rumple is a villain because he wants everything, and won't settle for anything less.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. At least Regina tries, and now Rumple pulling this shit to make her evil against her choice? Yet, he's not at fault because Zelena's making it happen. OUAT sure has a hate boner for the women and like to play the men innocent and flawless. And the fandom seems to follow suit in believe what the spoon feed us.

I don't ship SwanQueen either, and certainly don't believe the writers will give us them being a couple. Same way they screw jobed us with Mulan and Aurora. It will be some abstract minimalistic thing with Swan Queen so they can get asspats on gay representation.

I just don't understand why everyone gets it stuck in their crawl about how deserves a happy ending and who doesn't.

[ozaline]

Wait are we watching the same show? Rumple is the catalyst for every bad thing that happened in the show ever, (well now I guess the author is responsible for some of it, but hey he's a man too). I can see that certain people in the fandom think he's pure an innocent and want to give him hugs and puppies, and rainbow gumdrops, but I don't see the show runners thinking he's better than Regina?

The women might be flawed, but everyone in this show is acting out of love or their own definition of it... except really Rumple has no such excuse anymore... his wife doesn't want to be with him, and his son is dead... there is nothing for him to fight for anymore, but spite.

That does not make him endearing, at least not intentionally.

[arcadiaego]

He's only in the situation with Zelena because he fucked up so badly that he was exiled from Storybrooke in the first place though.

[(Anonymous)]

If anyone deserves a happy ending it's Neil. But he's not going to get it, because he 'gets in the way' of captain swan. Let the guy who was tortured, abandoned, and never allowed to be happy be able to be in his son's life? Nawwww, the shitty Jack Sparrow knock off who fucked his mother has to be the only father figure in Neil's son's life!

[(Anonymous)]

Neil was creepy and did a lot of self serving stuff. They started making his character Rumple the second that season they killed him. Probably better the character was killed off rather than sullied the way the other characters have been.

Though IA Hook need to die, but he won't because he's selling merchandise now and is a cash cow for OUAT.

[(Anonymous)]

-Self serving

Giving up his new family to protect them from Pan, giving up Emma because it was her ~destiny~, getting shot for Emma. Doesn't sound self-serving to me. Far, far, farrr less than Regina 'take him to my bedroom' evil queen, Captain 'fight for her then' Hook, or Rumple 'Fuck my son, magik baby' Stiltskin.

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, but are we going to forget when he gets sent back with the second curse and he was quick to sacrifice Robin's child and do anything to get Rumple back that; so much so that he got screwed over by Zelena? I believe he even commented how much he could be as self serving as his father then.

I mean if you tilt your head sideways and squint hard everyone in this show does something for a reason and has done some good (Rumple saved everyone from Pan, Regina was going to sacrifice herself a few times for the greater good etc), but it doesn't erase they all have bad sides to them.

[(Anonymous)]

Right now? I'm not sure any of OUAT's villains should actually be redeemed. Rumple acknowledges he's a bad person who doesn't deserve forgiveness, Regina's apologized to Belle, Hook's working with the white hats... but the show's not interested in them working to remedy the damage they caused, or realizing that they puppeted, raped, and killed someone, ordered hundreds of people, including children, killed, killed her father, and locked up an innocent woman for 30+ years (Regina), puppetmastered an entire world full of people for a couple centuries, tortured people, traumatised his kid, killed his wife, and stood by as the monster he helped create slaughtered people (Rumple), or ordered his loyal crew to follow him into piracy on pain of death, sold a kid to a psychopath, bullied an old cripple and threatened to gang rape his wife, tortured people, clubbed a woman over the head, worked as an assasin, shot that same woman in the back after she saved his life, and locked up his presumptive lady love and her friends and mother to die of starvation.

Like, how do you make up for that shit? Rumple died, and that redemption didn't stick. All three have done monstrous things, and the ridiculous part isn't that any one villain gets the "oh poor woobie" treatment. They all do! On OUAT, villains aren't redeemed by working to undo the harm they've caused and helping their victims. They don't have to regret the shit they've done. Their victims forgive them, sometimes offscreen, and they put on their white hats.

Regina killed a woman and is going to end up married to said woman's husband with the little boy she always wanted. The fact that in another timeline, it was someone posing as her victim and they didn't actually die doesn't make it less creepy. The writers are bending over backward to retcon how gross that whole thing is. It's not fucking working.

Rumple froze his wife so he could do shady shit behind her back. Hook's a "hero," but instead of going straight to his allies with the news that Rumple was up to his old tricks, he tried to blackmail Rumple, when if he'd tipped Emma off the season would've been a lot shorter. I'm not seeing where in this whole mess Regina in particular has been singled out to not get her happy ending. It's being handed to her on a fucking silver platter, and will be taken away at the beginning of season 5, if this execrable pile of shit gets a season 5, to cause more "drama."

I used to love OUAT, back when, on this comm, even, I called it "actions have consequences, the tv show." Nothing has consequences any more. The characters aren't logically developed and their actions follow the shittastic plot rather than driving it. As for feeling sorry for Rumpelstiltskin, I kind of do. He was held in a cage for a year, his kid died horribly, and apparently now the woman who held him in that cage is torturing him some more. He's a shitstain, but I'm still pissed that he's being tortured for cheap drama. I don't know that I feel sorry for Regina. Her happiness goalposts keep moving. She's got Henry, the Charmings and co. are on her side, and the only person gunning for her head is the psycho retconned sister who'll be dead by the season finale. Now she "needs" Robin and Roland or apparently she'll be miserable forever. She's like the fisherman's wife who wants to be Pope.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually Zelena killed Marion, not Regina. And is no doubt doing the deed with him to rub it in her sisters face. And she got pretty damn rapey with Rumple when she had him captive.

And can I also add in Hook's really shit off screen apology to Belle and now they are besties to your list? WTF?

I think to a point Regina realizes what she done, but I don't know what the fandom expects her to do beyond what's she doing? Or any of the other villains for that matter. Like it's like the fandom wants some giant retcon to go back pre-curse to make amends and it will take all the villains magic to do it and kill them? Regina is trying to work for the village/people now. She's trying to change. I really do't think there's a Hallmark card or way to make up for it fully. It's shit she's going to have to live with and work beyond. The difference is Rumple does the same shit, gives no fucks and the writers try and make you feel sorry for him. I'd argue that they do try and make Rumple look better than Regina, and the fandom plays into it and is constantly scrutinizing her and other females harder than the male counterparts.

I will admit it's more the writers fault than anything. If we went by true fairytales, the heroes would win and villains would die. But they're be an never ending cast of one off ridiculous teletubby villains if they did that. And they are too wuss to give us a villain who they don't feel the constant need to redeem with swooping sad back stories. I feel like sometimes when the villain did die off (Pan/Rumple's dad) it worked more efficiently than this bullshit of it always being a domino effect of what Regina and Rumple (or their family) has done. Hell, now they are working at making the heroes to be just as shitty (MM killing Regina's mom, this whole mess with the babies so Emma can go evil). They are really running the show into the ground fast.

I'd like to say even if she has Henry and the Charmings (who killed her mom btw), why is it so ridiculous for her to want love too? The love of a son and friends is different than having a lover.

[ozaline]

Actually what was worse for me then the fact that Regina killed Marion, (cause I do believe that people can change, and she can't exactly erase her past)... was her outrage at Emma for saving Marion. That Emma didn't think things through, (when she did her best to preserve the timeline).

No Regina you do not get to be mad that your evil dead was undone, you have no moral high ground at all.

>>The fact that we now know that's not exactly what happened, changes nothing<<

[(Anonymous)]

If this is the only argument you can make, it's seriously flawed. They are two different characters. Happy ending of one has nothing to do with the happy ending of the other.

That being said, I hope they both burn in hell and they BOTH (and their varying redemptions) are the reason that I quit the show.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

No. Rumple is even worse than Regina. (and should have died a long time ago because honestly he's just tiring at this point) And least Regina is trying to move on and do better. Not that I can really ever forgive her for, ya know, murder. Her victims didn't get a happy ending.

Yeah, I guess I believe a lot of this characters don't deserve happy endings because they're shit people.

This secret was mostly exclusive to Regina because the writers have been working hardest to redeem her.

[(Anonymous)]

Are Rumple and Regina really comparable right now?

Regina has more or less stopped doing bad things to other people for several seasons now aside from being dickish to people and throwing temper tantrums because she can't have everything she wants. Yeah, she hasn't really apologized or felt remorse over the awful things she did in the past, but not sure how she can really apologize for all that stuff. She's doing the next best thing and not doing them anymore.

Rumple on the other hand doesn't throw guilt-trippy temper tantrums, but he lies to loved ones, manipulates people, blackmails people, screws innocents over because he needs to for his plan, and puts his interests above everyone else's. He just keeps doing it.

The show definitely wants me to feel sorrier for Regina than she deserves, but I definitely think Rumple is way more reprehensible overall. I don't see it weird if people think Regina deserves a happy ending and Rumple doesn't. Until he makes an effort to be better (which Regina HAS done, so props to her), I don't see why he would.