[ SECRET POST #3022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Angel]


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03.
[Steven Moffat]


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04.
[Harry Potter]


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05.
[Trailer Park Boys]


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06.
(The Little Flying Bears)


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07.
[Once Upon a Time]


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08.
[Felicia Day]


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[Doctor Who]


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[Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory]


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11.
[Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]


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12.
[The Simpsons - Tapped Out]


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13.
[Red Dwarf]


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14.
[Kyuhyun/Super Junior]


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15.
[X-Files]


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[Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy]


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17.
[Madame Secretary]


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18.
[Amanda Palmer]








Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 075 secrets from Secret Submission Post #432.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/wo2oP37.jpg
[Once Upon a Time]

[blitzwing]

I'm just happy to see the Swan Queen edit pic, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

"Isn't evil bisexual something we should be getting away from?" - THANK YOU!

I'm all for representation but, call me picky, I'd rather it not be in the form of a mass murdering, child-killing rapist.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yeah, if you see Regina as someone who'll only ever be evil, I can see why you'd be disappointed. But if it helps, I don't think Once is actually going to give bi representation, I think it's just going to deliberately queer-bait while patting itself on the back for doing so.

[philstar22]

This. She was absolutely evil before. And they haven't been completely believable all the time at the redemption arc. But I do believe that redemption is possible and that there have been moments in her story that have worked. She's not completely evil anymore, even if I'm not ready to completely forgive her.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree insofar as I don't care for the ship, or the show, and it's kind of offputting how popular both of them are in those circles

But hey, that's the Internet

[hamimi_fk]

As someone who loves femslash and hate-ships, I honestly can't stand SQ either. Everything about Regina rubs me wrong and I can't realistically believe that Emma would ever stand for her bs.

But hey, to each his own.

[ozaline]

I much prefer Frozen-Swan, but I don't expect the Arendale crew to show up again.

[kallanda_lee]

Regina fans can be..sort of creepy. Like, I get being able to appreciate a good villain. I even acknowledge she's a complex character. But, she's flat-out a killer, and while mostly off-screen the stuff with the huntsman was hella rapey. I find the apologism for it genuinely disturbing sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

I saw one of her stans argue that she had every right to slaughter that village because she was the queen.

Just... no.

Evil Regals scare me.

[(Anonymous)]

Well do you feel Rumple's entitled to a happy ending?

I ask because I find it so many people either stand for Rumple to get his happy ending, and say Regina shouldn't get hers, or vice versa.

Rumple is the worst on the show. Seriously he's killed more than her, done worse shit all for his own self interest, etc. But fans just love to drag Regina exclusively through the wringer and say she deserves no happy ending, and they take this spoon feed apologetic "let's feel sorry for Rumple" bullshit the writers are feeding us this season.

I'm not a Regina stan, but if going by your definition there are a lot of people who don't deserve happy endings on this show and I'm sick of the fandom prioritizing that shit stain Rumple. The whole thing of Regina not deserving a happy ending just smacks of misogyny.

[ozaline]

This!


Out of the two Regina is the only one who has shown any commitment to self improvement.

Regina has tried to get to her happy ending by following the rules, and making amends... Rumple chooses the quick/easy route every time because he will always be a coward, and he can never have enough power.

I'm not a Regina-stan and as I said elsewhere I'd rather ship Emma, and Elsa than Emma/Regina...

But yeah Regina's miles ahead of Rumple on the path to becoming a decent person, and always will be. I agree with you.

[(Anonymous)]

If anyone deserves a happy ending it's Neil. But he's not going to get it, because he 'gets in the way' of captain swan. Let the guy who was tortured, abandoned, and never allowed to be happy be able to be in his son's life? Nawwww, the shitty Jack Sparrow knock off who fucked his mother has to be the only father figure in Neil's son's life!

[(Anonymous)]

Right now? I'm not sure any of OUAT's villains should actually be redeemed. Rumple acknowledges he's a bad person who doesn't deserve forgiveness, Regina's apologized to Belle, Hook's working with the white hats... but the show's not interested in them working to remedy the damage they caused, or realizing that they puppeted, raped, and killed someone, ordered hundreds of people, including children, killed, killed her father, and locked up an innocent woman for 30+ years (Regina), puppetmastered an entire world full of people for a couple centuries, tortured people, traumatised his kid, killed his wife, and stood by as the monster he helped create slaughtered people (Rumple), or ordered his loyal crew to follow him into piracy on pain of death, sold a kid to a psychopath, bullied an old cripple and threatened to gang rape his wife, tortured people, clubbed a woman over the head, worked as an assasin, shot that same woman in the back after she saved his life, and locked up his presumptive lady love and her friends and mother to die of starvation.

Like, how do you make up for that shit? Rumple died, and that redemption didn't stick. All three have done monstrous things, and the ridiculous part isn't that any one villain gets the "oh poor woobie" treatment. They all do! On OUAT, villains aren't redeemed by working to undo the harm they've caused and helping their victims. They don't have to regret the shit they've done. Their victims forgive them, sometimes offscreen, and they put on their white hats.

Regina killed a woman and is going to end up married to said woman's husband with the little boy she always wanted. The fact that in another timeline, it was someone posing as her victim and they didn't actually die doesn't make it less creepy. The writers are bending over backward to retcon how gross that whole thing is. It's not fucking working.

Rumple froze his wife so he could do shady shit behind her back. Hook's a "hero," but instead of going straight to his allies with the news that Rumple was up to his old tricks, he tried to blackmail Rumple, when if he'd tipped Emma off the season would've been a lot shorter. I'm not seeing where in this whole mess Regina in particular has been singled out to not get her happy ending. It's being handed to her on a fucking silver platter, and will be taken away at the beginning of season 5, if this execrable pile of shit gets a season 5, to cause more "drama."

I used to love OUAT, back when, on this comm, even, I called it "actions have consequences, the tv show." Nothing has consequences any more. The characters aren't logically developed and their actions follow the shittastic plot rather than driving it. As for feeling sorry for Rumpelstiltskin, I kind of do. He was held in a cage for a year, his kid died horribly, and apparently now the woman who held him in that cage is torturing him some more. He's a shitstain, but I'm still pissed that he's being tortured for cheap drama. I don't know that I feel sorry for Regina. Her happiness goalposts keep moving. She's got Henry, the Charmings and co. are on her side, and the only person gunning for her head is the psycho retconned sister who'll be dead by the season finale. Now she "needs" Robin and Roland or apparently she'll be miserable forever. She's like the fisherman's wife who wants to be Pope.

[(Anonymous)]

If this is the only argument you can make, it's seriously flawed. They are two different characters. Happy ending of one has nothing to do with the happy ending of the other.

That being said, I hope they both burn in hell and they BOTH (and their varying redemptions) are the reason that I quit the show.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

No. Rumple is even worse than Regina. (and should have died a long time ago because honestly he's just tiring at this point) And least Regina is trying to move on and do better. Not that I can really ever forgive her for, ya know, murder. Her victims didn't get a happy ending.

Yeah, I guess I believe a lot of this characters don't deserve happy endings because they're shit people.

This secret was mostly exclusive to Regina because the writers have been working hardest to redeem her.

[(Anonymous)]

Are Rumple and Regina really comparable right now?

Regina has more or less stopped doing bad things to other people for several seasons now aside from being dickish to people and throwing temper tantrums because she can't have everything she wants. Yeah, she hasn't really apologized or felt remorse over the awful things she did in the past, but not sure how she can really apologize for all that stuff. She's doing the next best thing and not doing them anymore.

Rumple on the other hand doesn't throw guilt-trippy temper tantrums, but he lies to loved ones, manipulates people, blackmails people, screws innocents over because he needs to for his plan, and puts his interests above everyone else's. He just keeps doing it.

The show definitely wants me to feel sorrier for Regina than she deserves, but I definitely think Rumple is way more reprehensible overall. I don't see it weird if people think Regina deserves a happy ending and Rumple doesn't. Until he makes an effort to be better (which Regina HAS done, so props to her), I don't see why he would.

[purpleseas]

It really is odd, some of the characters people will choose for that sort of thing. I remember people early on in Hannibal fandom wanting him for their asexual representation and vowing to quit watching if he ever had sex, when there was nothing to suggest he was actually asexual and Fuller had talked about purposely casting a sexy guy and having sex scenes in the works. And when he's Hannibal fucking Lecter, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't he also have a thing for Clarice? Saying he's Asexual is wayyyy offbase.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't ship them because Regina deserves better, TBH.

[(Anonymous)]

PREACH ON, OP! PREACH ON!

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a shipper. I don't think the show has avoided culpability with Regina- she's been confronted with plenty of her victims and for the most part, in the past season or two, she's accepted that with grudging humility. She's been fairly self-sacrificial and though the show does make it clear that she's constantly at war with herself and slips up (though she reins it in soon after), it's also made it clear that she's not that person anymore. That's the story it's telling- I've backed away from other characters I've enjoyed when it became clear that they wouldn't get a redemption arc that satisfied me, and I haven't had to do that with Regina since S2.

In the real world, I would absolutely agree with you. I'd want her locked up somewhere and gone for good and definitely not happy. But OUAT is a fictional fantasy land and the standards and margins for redemption seem to be much wider. Which is frustrating sometimes, but it's something I can accept as one of the few fairly consistent internal standards of the 'verse. I don't want to compare her to other characters, but as far as redemptive arcs go on the show, hers is the most in-depth and exhaustive.

And I ship it because it's a good story! I don't think I'll be changing your mind here- I tend to avoid the anti-SQ folk on Tumblr in general because it seems like a battleground and I'm there to enjoy my ship- but I'm a sucker for a good enemies-turned-lovers story and Emma and Regina have undergone slow, steady development to really great places that I'd never dreamed of when I started shipping it. This whole half-season has been about the two of them going to lengths to protect each other, and once the animosity faded between them, they've proven to actually like and care about each other. They're good for each other now, and it's been a long road there.

I don't think it's an evil bisexual story because Regina is very firmly on the side of good now and it's doubtful she'll ever stray far from it. And personally, as someone who was rooting for everything from Sea Devil to Sleeping Warrior, I'd be happy with any representation at all on the show. The men on the show- except Rumple, who's generally despicable but fun- are kind of cardboard cutouts and the relationships are all very, very boring. It'd be nice to see some ladies in love. It'd be especially nice to see the two lead characters of a show about hope and happy endings (and one without a single overtly queer character that tends to kill/write off almost all of its poc) being in love, though I doubt that it'll ever happen. But that's what people mean by wanting it for representation- that it's a natural, major arc that could organically be a part of the show and really make waves.

You don't have to worry, though. "Swan Queen fans won't be disappointed" usually means that we'll get some nice scenes together, not that they're turning the ship canon anytime soon. The fandom has been craving a hug for almost two years and we've yet to even get one of those, lol. (I don't think we're being overtly baited, either- I'm actually very very happy with what we do get. SQ has the most material I've ever seen for a popular f/f ship since Xena, but the writers have been clear that it isn't a direction they currently intend to go in.)

[cloud_riven]

Thank god the comments revealed what a photomanip that background image is. It looks hella awkward.

ngl idgaf about muh represenation regarding evil queens, but also ngl that the tweet you're referencing does make me want to try (again) to watch more than half a season of this show.

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: Still or maybe promo pic (or maybe manip?) of Regina and Emma from Once Upon a Time

Text: I’m a gay woman who hates SwanQueen.

For the most part I’m able to let shippers ship, but ever since the writers tweeted that SQ fans won’t be disappointed I’m really concerned. I don’t get fans who want Regina for ‘representation’, isn’t the evil besexual something we should be getting away from?

Also try being anti-SQ in the femmeslash community. It’s kind of inescapable.
-no I don’t ship Captain Swan either
-no I’m not homophobic for fuck’s sake
-Regina is a mass murderer who shouldn’t get her happy ending unless she can literally go back in time and undo all her mistakes (which she wouldn’t because she doesn’t regret them)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm in the camp of option D: I think the OUAT writers have the right to tell the story they want to tell and if they said SQ wasn't intentional then that's their prerogative and it's not their fault fans saw something different and were disappointed when told their interpretation wasn't the same as the writers'. But try telling that to the shippers. It all gets drowned out in a sea of "QUEERBAITING!!11!!1" (if they said it wasn't intentional then it's the OPPOSITE of queerbaiting FFS) and "ZOMG we're being abused and gaslighted by this show!!11!!1" (nice way to trivialize actual abuse victims, there). This is why I cannot fucking STAND this fandom. The entitlement is unreal.