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The friend I went with gushed that it was better for the first but I felt like I was missing something. It was mostly terrible, imo. And I liked the first one, and usually love Joss Whedon's stuff.

-It felt like they tried to cram too much into one movie, without resolving anything. Thor going off to do magical Norse God stuff was really quickly done, and underplayed.
-The "serious talks" really missed it dialogue-wise for me. It all seemed ridiculously cheesy and fake.
-Natasha getting kidnapped for no reason, for all of about two seconds. Why exactly did Ultron capture her? and then do nothing at all about her but give a cliche evil speech?
-Speaking of cliches, the dialogue. Did I mention the dialogue? Cheesy. And I just could not with the fail!epic one liners, like when Vision (?) says "Well I am just a day old" before killing Ultron. Cringe-worthy.
-Too much Tony Stark, just like the first one. Putting ten seconds of serious flashback doesn't mean you've suddenly developed the other characters.
-Natasha especially felt like she did nothing at the end. I was hoping she'd be the one to lift Thor's hammer and have a badass final moment, that would've made up for her becoming the angsty lover cliche. But she didn't do anything badass. Just angsted some more.
-Did Captain America do anything in this movie? I hardly remember him in it.
-End credits scene was... well I shouldn't say it was bad, it was just predictable. They are tying this into Guardians of the Galaxy? I am shocked! Shocked I say! I think something more subtle would've been better than just that ugly blue guy.

Things I liked:
-Hawkeye's development was probably the most interesting thing about the movie, especially considering I keep forgetting he was in the first one. Him having a "normal" life and family was surprisingly touching. Likewise I liked Natasha's BFF relationship with him and auntie status to the kids.
-The Natasha/Hulk romance was kind of sweet. I wasn't quite decided but I think I do like it, I just didn't like most of their serious scenes together. It got a bit dangerously near King Kong loves Blondie for me, but overall, I think I like them exploring the relationship, and I think I like more that nothing came of it (yet, anyway)
-The party scene where they try to lift Thor's hammer. But then again, that was in the preview
-Ultron's voice. Him sounding so human was kind of a cool way to make a robot enemy interesting. He had some dumb lines but overall, very good.
-The twins. Superior Quicksilver in this movie. Him dying was lame though. Just because Whedon was desperate to Whedon someone off... and he was actually the most predictable character to kill, which made it even more lame. But I liked the twins.

Oh this is good, I agree with most of this except I thought it was mostly enjoyable. This movie was DEFINITELY not better than the first one but really what is drawing me in is this is my second dose of Mark Ruffalo's Bruce Banner who is just so great.

I think for me what I liked was I just think the Marvel movies are fun so I enjoyed it for the fun & stupid ride that it was. Which was basically the Avengers created their own problems and then had to fix their own problems, the end.

ayrt

Yeah I should've added that I did actually like Bruce Banner a lot in this one. I liked him fine in the first one but it was nice to see his character get a little more breathing room in this one. But I liked most of the main cast well enough, I even liked Tony - but I felt like he should've gotten more of what was coming to him for being full of himself and causing all of this, rather than instantly be forgiven because he inadvertently created Vision. But mostly I wish there were less Tony and more of the other characters.

I think I set my expectations too high, though. I've always loved superheroes and superhero movies but lately (last x number of years) I just don't think any of them are as good, at least not to what I feel their potential is. And idk maybe I just have the wrong mindset with them, I probably just need to relax and try to get in them a little more instead of expecting really quality writng.

Steve mostly pulled combo moves with Thor. A friend and I joked during the movie that the end credit scene would be the high score ranking to see which two characters had the most combos.

I forgot how useless Natasha's kidnapping was. Just so she could give Ultron's location to everyone else? Why would Ultron, who should be somewhat aware of her skillset, even a) leave her alive that long, and b) leave her in a position to get the necessary equipment to contact Clint? Was it on purpose? It feels like I'm missing something.

I haven't seen the X-Men version of Quicksilver, but I loved him in AoU. I admit I felt it very hard to care about the twins while they were "evil" (probably because I was waiting for the heel-face turn), but after they joined up with the Avengers the twins were great. Even if their accents were terrible (that might just be the dub, though).

Of course Ultron left her there and alive on purpose. He wanted to lure the Avengers to the church so that he could (a) make them watch the destruction, and (b) kill them all at once.

But was that said or just assumed? I'm usually fine with interpreting character's actions without having everything spelled out, but it just didn't feel like that was Ultron's plan at all. I would have been fine with a "they will all come to me *evil cackle*" from Ultron and then a cut to Natasha assembling her emergency contact thingy, but the way it played out on the screen seemed disjointed and weird.

As a whole the movie feels to me as though they left half the scenes on the cutting floor to fit the time limit and it made the movie jumpy and full of random scenes and transitions that don't flow together properly.

Ultron took Natasha with him so that he could show her his plan. He said so.

Yeah, which seemed like a really lame, forced reason to get Natasha in a cage that Bruce could save her from. There didn't seem to be any real purpose that wasn't Natasha wiring over the location, which was kind of deus ex machina tbh.

Idk about deus ex machina, never understood this expression, but Natasha was a bit OOC there.
I also didn't get why she said that after the operation making her unable to conceive it was easier to kill. I don't see a link.

She didn't say that to explain why she could kill people, she said it to explain why she was forcibly sterilized, and she said that to make Bruce feel better about not being able to have kids.

(Though I liked that scene, it left me with a couple of questions. First, was the Nat-being-sterilized thing in the comics, or was it previously mentioned in MCU [I don't remember it], or was it something Joss put in just to add that dynamic to her relationship, or whatever-it-was, with Bruce?)

It's from some of the comics.

Ah, ok. Thanks. :)

I didn't like the idea that having/not having kids is the first thing Bruce thought about concerning a family. Especially after Clint's idyllic family life. I'm glad they didn't add a golden retriever...

I mean, he turns into a green monster, she's a spy assassin and the thing that worries them is that they biologically can't have children.

And that scene with Natasha seeing Clint's baby photo. Kids are great, sure, but why? In a superhero movie, no less.

'tying this into Guardians'?

uhm, these movies were tied together from the start by the infinity gems. And Thanos first appeared in The Avengers. Yeah, it's predictable but hopefully it's kicking off an awesome Phase 3 (Thanos actually going after the gems for real).

Well obviously. But in which case the end credits scene was absolutely meaningless. I prefer end credit scenes that subtly introduce something new, or confirm something speculated, etc, and this was dumb.

But in which case the end credits scene was absolutely meaningless

This would make sense for someone who might not have seen all the other movies with Infinity Gems showing up in them and the fact that not a single one has managed to come into Thanos' possession, despite his sending henchmen after them.

Hence, him saying if you want something done right, do it yourself. So, in that regard, it makes perfect sense as a final scene.

Edited 2015-05-04 15:49 (UTC)

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