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⌈ Secret Post #3077 ⌋

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[Lackadaisy Cats]

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(Gorillaz)

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(Tripping over you)

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[Stitchers]

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[Dragon Age]

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[The Mighty Boosh]

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[LOVE LIVE!]

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[Brooklyn 99]

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[Mad Max Fury Road]

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[Maggie Stiefvater]

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[Emily Alice Ovenden]

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[When Marnie Was There/Omoide no Marnie]

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(Rick and Morty)

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[Suppression]

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[Wall-e]

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[Ancillary Justice & Ancillary Sword]

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I actually think "Don't Like Don't Read" has credence depending on the context. It should not be used against someone who is simply pointing out errors and critiquing those.

However if you click into a slash fic marked as a slash fic , you can't really get upset that in involves slash. If you click into a fic marked with a certain ship, you can't really complain that it contains that ship. Well you can technically, but the author isn't under any obligation to listen to you or take you seriously.

Critiquing how it's been done is one thing, but just complaining "this ship I hate is there" is just a complaint based on personal taste. If you hate a particular ship or AU, the story isn't automatically poor quality because it contains that thing you hate. It's quality is effected by how well whatever is written whether people like that thing or not.

Like imagine if some one writing a critique for a comedy movie that was marketed as a comedy movie lowered the grade for it because "it's comedy, and according to me comedy inherently sucks so...there" . Now if they downgraded it because it wasn't very good comedy, all the jokes fell flat and/or the jokes were too mean spirited, that's a valid complaint.

YES. This especially bothered me about sporkers who'd leave nasty reviews. You knew the fic was going to have OCs. Why are you picking on them for that? It's clear you don't think OCs should never be written, not that this OC was written terribly.

I've never seen it happen for slash, but I'm sure it does.

Yes very true. I avoided mentioning OCs in the comment since it's such a wank starter, but it certainly applies to this too.

In my opinion a good critique should tell people how to do the best with what they have not "stop writing" Honestly "stop writing" is the biggest cop out I can think of , usually from people who want to complain but don't have much constructive to add.

I've heard of it, sometimes from people with religious objections to slash. So much secondhand embarrassment especially being a Christian myself. "it said slash in the SUMMARY FFS" "BACK. BUTTON."

I actually welcome if somebody points out errors and such I might have missed. It's something that can make me a better writer, I don't really get people who fly off the handle at that (and I've been at the recieving end of one of those types of authors).

However, if somebody is just going to flame the story because of a ship or a character, then I reserve the right to fully go down the "Don't like, Don't read" mode.

Oh yeah I agree. I welcome that. I often get good critiques like that from my friends. There have been times that something they criticized in the story hurt my ego a bit. But I couldn't be mad at them because I know it came from the best intentions, and wasn't even said harshly. I just chalked it up to a case of 'truth hurts sometimes" and being attached to what I had already, and move on.

Yeah. I mean yelling at me isn't going to change my mind. It's just more likely to get someone to ignore you.

Seconded, with the addendum that it's okay to complain about something being in the wrong genre category (like if something that was marketed as a comedy had hardly any jokes.)

Oh yeah. That's reasonable.

I always advise people to tag their story with crossover , AU or OC or what major ships you have, or whatever you think will be a concern.

I think that's how it's generally used, though? As in someone's complaining about something within the fic that they were warned about, be it a ship, a trope, a certain headcanon etc. If someone reads something they know they won't like just so they can criticize it, then that's the context I see "don't like, don't read" being used. Which makes sense, because I've never understood why someone would bother reading something they're well aware they don't like.

I can't say I've ever seen "don't like, don't read" used as a blanket term for any criticism. If someone usually enjoys the ship/trope you're writing but expresses some critique for the way you've handled it, then the "don't like" part isn't relevant.

I've sometimes seen "Don't like don't read" referred to as part of a "trinity" of bad responses that supposedly bratty authors use to deflect crit. I've seen it happen with immature authors a few times, but I think things like that happen less than people claim they do.

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Oh, it wouldn't surprise me that it does happen, I've just been fortunate enough not to have come across it. Every time I have (and every time I've wanted to use it myself but restrained myself) it's been for for first example -- "why did you write A/B ship in this clearly labelled A/B shippy fic, I hate A/B therefore I hate you and your fic and you should never write anything again!"

Of course I also make the general assumption that if someone's clicking on my fics then they've got the "like" part already covered, so unless it's an obvious rant of the above variety I'll assume that any crit is coming from someone who does usually enjoy some aspect of what I'm writing. If they haven't enjoyed my take on something they normally like then that's valid crit to take on board. I might not agree with it, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they're coming at it from the position of "I like this stuff but this time for these reasons I'm disappointed" rather than "I hate this stuff but felt the need to tell you anyway." The latter has zero value, and if a writer feels they have to respond at all then DLDR seems like a fair enough reply.

(I'm curious as to the other two bad responses in the trinity are now...!)

The other two are "Lets see YOU do better" and "you're just jealous"

These two I will say sorta deserve to be there. Because they sound childish and super defensive. Honestly, even if I thought it was right, I would never accuse someone of being jealous of me in a review because it just sounds....no.

I'm fine with "Don't like? Don't read!" if it is obvious what I'm getting into. If I click on a Natasha/Clint story and it turns out that there is actually a lot of focus on Tony/Steve? I'm going to be bothered. Or if I click on a fic labeled Natasha/Bruce, and there is unlabeled for Clint/Coulson? I'm going to complain about that too. (I can't stand that ship.) Basically, what is happening in the review/summary/tags/whatever should be what is in the fic if someone is going to be able to legitimately say "Don't like? Don't read." Because otherwise it feels very dismissive against my complaints. Sure, I will stop reading, but I shouldn't have to. It should have been out there before I started reading. At least in my opinion.

Ah yes, I can agree to that. Deceptive tagging is no good. "Don't Like, Don't Read" only works as a response when the tags are honest.

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