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[ SECRET POST #3144 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3144 ⌋

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I feel like a pleb to say it but I totally agree. I find it hard to watch older series because the pacing, characterization, and overall look is so different that I just struggle to get into it. I'm sure it'll be the same for current series in 50 years.

Tried watching it as well. Hated it. Too cheesy for me.

This is how I react to stuff from the 90's, only the 90's. 50's to 80's: good, 00's to now: fine. 90's: eugg.

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cloudtrader - 2015-08-14 18:02 (UTC) - Expand

I think its weird when people say this series looks dated because when I first watched it I couldn't get over how great it looked for its time and how timeless it seemed.

That was my opinion too. I mean, sure, there were some total fails, but when the planets aligned it was beautiful to watch. Like Balance of Terror, or City on the Edge of Forever.

Well, fair enough, if it's not your thing.

For my part, I can usually roll with or make allowances for most things in older shows, I'll admit to a sneaky fondness for the shoddy special effects you get with old SF in particular (Classic DW and Blake's 7 were formative influences, plus they remind me of stage effects), and I think I actually prefer the pacing on older shows. Modern shows are so frenetic and wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am a lot of the time, I like the way many older shows went and took their time with things.

I'm very much with you on the preference for the pacing of older shows (and movies, for that matter). I like plots that build and unfold slowly, characters and relationships that develop slowly; a lot of current media seems to rush through it all, and I come away feeling unsatisfied.

I also grew up with these shows and 1) you didn't notice the special effects deficits because even after Star Wars it was a long time before other movies started using good special effects let alone TV shows and 2) you could focus on the stories and characterization, and the writing was often pretty good.

I was afraid of this myself too. I had grown up with the spin-offs and loved them, then after the two reboot movies I figured I really ought to give the original a shot. But I figured I probably wouldn't like it.

To my surprise I really enjoyed it. On occasion, the cheap sets/SFX and ridiculous stunts can be cheesy, but I liked the characters and most of the stories were very engaging.

I also tried to watch the first few eps of classic Doctor Who and that was just so slow it got on my nerves. I'm currently watching The Man from UNCLE which looks better, but sometimes does suffer from pacing issues and I definitely miss a bit of character development.

Anyway, guess I'm saying that in this case I disagree, but I can totally see where you're coming from.

You should add 'The Avengers' to that list too. One of my favourites from that era - especially the Mrs. Peel episodes.

You should add 'The Avengers' to that list too. One of my favourites from that era - especially the Mrs. Peel episodes.

https://youtu.be/o-GmH8eFJFU

The datedness is actually the reason that I may one day get around to watching TOS. I'm not a Star Trek fan but I love the 60s sci-fi aesthetic and the way actors of the time were trained to speak with that "actor" accent.

You either like it or you don't. *shrugs*

I watched...idek, years ago (before the reboot), but frankly I was surprised at how much it didn't bother me. Like, I genuinely thought it was going to be an issue but somehow the terrible effects and the cheesiness were just endearing and fun, and the series was charming in a way I didn't expect.

However, I wouldn't judge you harshly for not being able to get into it. There are plenty of things I haven't got into (for one reason or another).

That's good to know. I'm currently rewatching DS9, and if I ever finish that (So Many Episodes), I was thinking about trying TOS next. I know I watched it as a kid, but I don't remember it at all, and so I'd like to give it a try. I was worried the datedness might bother me though.

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elaminator - 2015-08-14 18:28 (UTC) - Expand

I love the dated look. It's classic.

What I can't get over is the dated sexism every time Kirk goes near a female character.

Kirk actually isn't that bad for the time (look at him relative to, say, James West from WWW or even Napoleon Solo to an extent). The sexism is definitely there, but Kirk is usually pretty respectful, if a touch patriarchal, towards women. He actually doesn't pursue them that often (usually they're pursuing him, and most often as a ploy rather than genuine intent), and he has advocated to other characters several times to treat people right ("Be gentle. It's not a one-way street, you know. How you feel and that's all. It's how the girl feels, too." - Kirk to Charlie X). It's not just talk, either. Take something like "Mirror Mirror" and how he treated Mirror!Marlena - he actually was respectful of her, despite having to play the role of her lover Mirror!Kirk.

TOS Kirk really isn't the womaniser he's portrayed to be, I think. He definitely likes women, and he has a tendency to end up in romantic subplots. There is a definite element of 60s sexism in how he's written. But the man himself isn't really more than mildly patriarchal and protective towards women, and willing to accept physical pleasure if it looks to be coming his way (barring that it's detrimental to the mission). He doesn't demean women (well, talks down to them a bit when they're scared sometimes), doesn't have any problems with women doing their jobs around him, doesn't expect them to drop everything for him. For the time the part was written in, he sure as hell could have been a lot worse.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-08-14 03:47 (UTC) - Expand

Oh my goodness, yes. The show is ahead of its time in so many ways, but the constant grabbing of women's wrists and saying, "But you're STILL A WOMAN! What about . . . LOVE??" is not so much.

It's not *that* great, so you're not missing much that you can't get from a basic familiarity with pop culture.

Someone in Starfleet, Admiral Whatthehellever, really liked the aesthetic of the late sixties and incorporated it into the uniforms. The hairstyles followed suit and soon it was spreading across the galaxy with warp speed.

Re: It's sci-fi, give yourself a handwavy explanation.

(Anonymous) - 2015-08-14 00:28 (UTC) - Expand

No big. No one's obligated to like Star Trek.

I\ike it when stuff set in the future is really dated. I like seeing how people from the Sixties, or the Thirties, or the Eighties imagined "the future," and how it reflects prevailing aesthetics (or doesn't), whether it's aspirational or fearful or whatever.

Right now I'm kind of annoyed when The Future looks like the Apple Store, but give it 10-15 years and I'll probably start finding that charming, too.

I actually love the look it has.

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