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⌈ Secret Post #3154 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

The American/tumblr definitions of white and POC are stupid as fuck and should never be used in regards to cultures (and history) outside of America.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

They're not stupid. They're just linked to a specific context.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

They are stupid when taken as the absolute fact. They can't fathom race relations are different outside of the US.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Which is ironic because that's ethnocentrism.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

And when frequently taken out of their very narrow context they're stupid as fuck. And a little stupid as fuck in context too.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

And when frequently taken out of their very narrow context they're stupid as fuck.

Yes.

And a little stupid as fuck in context too.

Oh, word?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

Yeah only a little, around the implied definition of POC - where do your white minorities fall in? My first thought was...argh I can't remember the group name, someone was calling them white - the fellas in Alaska?? Sorry my mobile data is limiting me right now, do you know what their group called? Where sure they may look "white" but they're not the white-white that is the majority privileged group?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Different names for different subgroups, but I think you're referring to the Eskimo / Inuit / Aleut-type groups up there in Alaska.

And I'm not directly familiar with Alaskan society, but in general the thing to keep in mind is that "white" is very much a moving target and references things other than just skin tone - there was a non-trivial period when a lot of people wouldn't have considered Irish or Italians white.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

I was reluctant to mention the Irish because anti-Irish anon might pop up 0-0 also where do Greek people fall into this currently?

Yeah it is very much a moving milestone :/

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm reminded of the Sami people in Norway/Sweden/Finland. I'm sure they were very surprised to learn from SJWs that that their "original" skin color* was "bred out" of them and that the racism against them is all about being PoC and not any of the other issues the Sami have talked about for all these years.

*Tanning is impossible for white people, especially the ones who spends large amounts of time outside! And we'll ignore all the Sami who lived as Norwegians/Swedes/Finns even before the supposed out-breeding of skin color.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

I did not know that! I will go read up on it, it'll probably be helpful to be able to find a similar group of people to talk about (to Aussie history) when we do compare.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

You know America's really big and the third most populous country in the world, right? The context isn't narrow. That's just the way it is.

And lmao, it sounds like you think your country's racial constructs make more sense than ours even out of your country's context. Who's ethnocentric now?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

NA What the hell is THIS defensiveness?

Okay, the US is like 5% of the world's population, if we're going to be talking races and population representation. You know, all those invisible brown people?

To act like something specific to ONE country is universal (especially when those from other countries are saying "no, it's not like that here") is pretty arrogant.

Nnnnot seeing anyone saying "your country's racial constructs make more sense than ours" in any context.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

I'm not talking about pure population numbers? The American context is but one of so so many but then is frequently used to analyse other countries. This can be interesting sometime when they acknowledge its an outsiders viewpoint and other times when they ignore that, it is not.

My countries racial context make sense in the context of my country. It'd be stupid to apply it to another country except in a comparative outsiders view. Also sometimes my country is stupid too, even in context.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I think they've often got some applicability to other British ex-colonies like Canada and Australia. But it's irritating when it's just ~assumed to be universal, I agree.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

I don't know squat about Canada but with Australia? Very much not.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt I thought so though, some around stuff with whiteness as majority, definitions of whiteness - Euro or not?, perspectives of non-Euro immigrants, and indigenous peoples. I'm Australian btw.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt from comment above... but maybe I'm missing the mark on what you're critiquing...?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

My very first immediate thought would be that applying anerica/tumblr white and POC terms to Australia would quickly exclude our mixed minorities. Ie, aboriginal, maori and other "white appearing" Pacific Islanders. So I agree with your other comment I think? Now I'm confused. Im really only fed up with all the American style white/POC being used in the mmfr fandom when those actors are not white. But I've seen it pop into other non-American fandoms and it's just can u not.

(Ayyyyyyyy)

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I'll agree with that. Australia's got some unique history and racial politics there. (Like, my brother in law is most probably part-Aboriginal as he passes as "white" but everyone is skirting around it. Friend's ex-husband only found out he was when he was an adult. I've been meaning to read Am I Black Enough For You?) The US concepts of whiteness thing gets really stupid when it involves Europeans, like talking about Scarlet Witch / Quicksilver casting. Or "Asianwashing" to complain that the Attack on Titan movie has Japanese actors... really? Etc

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Psst, if you're not American, you don't have the perspective that entitles you to decide those definitions are stupid.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

But then if you're not me you don't have the perspective to decide the perspective that entitles me to the perspective on other people's perspective about definitions that I think are stupid?

_{ouch my head I got confused writing that}

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think that Americans, in general, have the perspective to talk with authority about race relations in Australia?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[caerbannog]

Nope.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

So then...