[ SECRET POST #3176 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3176 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Journey]


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03.
[Absolutely Fabulous]


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04.
(Sam Smith, Lana Del Rey, Shirley Bassey, Ellie Goulding)


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05.
[Tim Drake, DC Comics]


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06.
[Wakako-zake]


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07.
[FIFA, World Soccer Championship]


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08.
[Fear The Walking Dead]


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09.
[Calvin Dyson - Bond Reviewer, The Anime Man, BobSamurai's Anime Reviews, Retroblasting, Oliver Harper's Retrospective and Reviews]


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10.
[Higher Ground]


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11.
[Beelzebub]


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12.
[Steven Universe]


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13.
[Robert Stack, Unsolved Mysteries]








Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 056 secrets from Secret Submission Post #454.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. If you're not allowed to be here, you're not allowed to be here. I'm also stunned whenever the DREAM people admit at rallies to being here illegally but then aren't picked up and shipped from rally to border once that's proven true.

(I actually agree with DREAM but its not reality yet.)

[philstar22]

Not sure if you're serious or a troll. But no, even if you think all undocumented immigrants (illegal is not the right term to use because being here is not a crime, things like recrossing the border or using someone else's ID is, but being here is not actually a crime, and any time someone uses this term I assume they have absolutely no understanding of immigration law in this country) should be deported, basic human rights trump that. They should be able to have access to their doctors. Just think if it had been this woman's child who needed medical care and this happened.

[(Anonymous)]

True, immigrants can't be illegal, so its a problematic phrase,but they can be here illegally, and arguing that is splitting hairs. And I totally think that woman (and her kid if that had been the situation) should have gotten treatment -- doctor's duty, and all -- but then it should have come with a trip back to the border.

[(Anonymous)]

And I just realized I never even said illegal immigrant in my first post. So.

[philstar22]

If doctor's offices cooperate with ICE, people won't go to them. It happens already with domestic violence victims who won't report the abuse because they are afraid of the police and don't want to be deported.

There should be some safe spaces and some people who are not allowed to report.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there are places (like dctor's offices) that shouldn't get in trouble for choosing not to report, but that's my limit, I think.

[philstar22]

I honestly don't get this at all. I feel like health care coming first is basic even if you think every single one of them should be deported. And I don't think I'm even willing to disagree to disagree because I feel so strong about this. It seems basic right and wrong to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no idea about US immigration law and not the time to get into this myself right now, so I'll ask you:

If being undocumented isn't a crime/illegal, why do undocumented immigrants deported? What right does the police/government have to take them in custody and force them back?

[philstar22]

There are actually legal questions in regard to custody. They really shouldn't be able to arrest them, especially since they are often held without bail and without a hearing.

Mostly it boils down to these 19th century cases that called immigration a "plenary power" and said that the federal government can do what it wants. Various laws have been put into place since then, some more restrictive than others, and sometimes putting limits on that power.

But a lot of immigration law really boils down to keeping out as many people as possible. Even with things like asylum we've made it so restrictive and so difficult to get even for people who should get it. But basically the government does what it wants. And because immigration law is mostly for agencies to enforce, the court lets agencies define what the interpretation of the law is and restrict it even further than the actual text allows or the original intent was.

There are so many problems with our immigration law. And the thing is, it is really, really difficult to get here through the legal channels. The caps are ridiculously low for visas. And even legal permanent residents who are supposed to be safe can have their status revoked. It is honestly insane if you look at the immigration system in our country. It is completely and utterly broken (and not in the way that people who want to close the borders claim).

[(Anonymous)]

Why should people just be able to immigrate to another country whenever they want, though? There SHOULD be caps and laws in place or else everyone would move to the countries that they perceive to be the "best," which would a) make those countries no longer so great due to overpopulation, and b) have a major negative impact on the economies and the society of the countries that the people have emigrated from.

Just wanting to move to another country - any country - shouldn't be a good enough reason to be able to do it easily.

[philstar22]

Oh, and I forgot to add that the courts have specifically said that immigration law is not criminal. Many of them are charged with related crimes. But when they are in immigration court they have no right to an attorney or any of the other rights that are specific to criminal and not civil law.

[(Anonymous)]

There was a really eye-opening segment on John Oliver's show the other night about how the whole "rights" thing in regards to criminal law can get really fucked up and how despite being read their Miranda rights they don't always get those rights when their cases actually come up-and they were talking about people born and raised here in that segment. I can't even begin to imagine how much worse and hellish the situation would be for immigrants, who wouldn't even get a chance at those sorts of rights in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

Much the same in Australia, sad to say.

[(Anonymous)]

Ergh. I've heard a bit about how issues with certain groups of people are handled there (namely anything having to do with the Aboriginal population), so that sadly doesn't surprise me too much, but still...depressing to hear that nonetheless.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt Australia's treatment of asylum seekers is beyond appalling. Cruel, inhumane, people are raped, people are killed, people are drowned, people self-harm, people commit suicide. Children too. I've seen it with my own eyes. I've done my part in trying to help. The legal system is completely #$%$#@ too, ex used to work in immigration law with refugees. Recently news story about one of the judges who denied procedural fairness and almost never found in favour of asylum seekers. We are bound by international law to help asylum seekers and we don't. All to score racist political points back home. Why I hate Tony Abbott so much, and his successor "cruel but necessary" Malcolm Turnbull won't be much better.

[(Anonymous)]

the thing is, most illegal immigrants who end up being deported/arrested in cases like this have lived most of their lives here, and usually their entire families live here meaning they'd have nothing if they went back to where they came from

it's especially hard on the elderly who have no means of supporting themselves if they end up being deported... they usually die within a year, because even if some of their children are allowed to stay in the US (conditionally, of course), they cannot leave the country for extended periods of time without losing their conditional green cards

it may be the law, but it's not right. it's not justice.