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[ SECRET POST #3176 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3176 ⌋

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[Journey]

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[Absolutely Fabulous]

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(Sam Smith, Lana Del Rey, Shirley Bassey, Ellie Goulding)

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[Calvin Dyson - Bond Reviewer, The Anime Man, BobSamurai's Anime Reviews, Retroblasting, Oliver Harper's Retrospective and Reviews]

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A doctor's office cooperated with ICE, told a woman to come in for her annual checkup, and then let in officers to arrest her.

What the actual fuck is wrong with these people? No matter your feelings on immigration, people should feel safe getting medical treatment. We already deny so many immigrants basic health care (they aren't eligible for Obamacare or most other insurances). This is just not okay.

Honestly, I could rant for hours on all the ways this pisses me off.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/09/14/woman_arrested_at_ob_gyn_office_her_crime_being_an_undocumented_immigrant.html

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That's so ridiculous and worrying. What if someone has a child who is seriously ill and they delay getting treatment for them because they don't want to be deported?

Exactly. No matter your views on immigration, there are some places where people should not be reported to ICE. Doctors offices should be safe. Also when reporting a crime to the police. The grocery store. People should be allowed to live safely with their families, and that should be protected.

Yes to all of those things.

We can't deny even people convicted of crimes the right to food, healthcare, and safety.

It seems like backwards logic, too. "We can't let these people get too comfortable, or they might start to get ideas. They might start contributing to the economy!"

Immigrants are treated worse than violent criminals. The conditions in detention centers is appalling. Some of the absolute worst ones on the border have been closed, but those ones were so horrifying that anything would look better (look up Artesia detention center if you want to know about them). But the ones that still remain are pretty bad too. No one would be allowed to have a regular prison like that.

Oh lord. Don't get me started. We now have laws to prevent doctors in detention facilities from trying to advocate for their patients, including young children. I'm not sure if this article talks about the frequency of self-harm and violence inside the centre, but some of the accounts from people who have worked there are absolutely shocking.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33923485

Children should not be in detention centres. Nobody should be in detention centres.

I don't know if I want to look up Artesia today. I'm already full of rage.

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This.

Hospitals' first priority should be helping and treating people. Not putting profit over people's health or refusing people necessary care for BS reasons (religious beliefs, political views, etc.). Why the hell is that sort of behavior considered okay and acceptable in this country?

Nope. If you're not allowed to be here, you're not allowed to be here. I'm also stunned whenever the DREAM people admit at rallies to being here illegally but then aren't picked up and shipped from rally to border once that's proven true.

(I actually agree with DREAM but its not reality yet.)

Not sure if you're serious or a troll. But no, even if you think all undocumented immigrants (illegal is not the right term to use because being here is not a crime, things like recrossing the border or using someone else's ID is, but being here is not actually a crime, and any time someone uses this term I assume they have absolutely no understanding of immigration law in this country) should be deported, basic human rights trump that. They should be able to have access to their doctors. Just think if it had been this woman's child who needed medical care and this happened.

True, immigrants can't be illegal, so its a problematic phrase,but they can be here illegally, and arguing that is splitting hairs. And I totally think that woman (and her kid if that had been the situation) should have gotten treatment -- doctor's duty, and all -- but then it should have come with a trip back to the border.

And I just realized I never even said illegal immigrant in my first post. So.

If doctor's offices cooperate with ICE, people won't go to them. It happens already with domestic violence victims who won't report the abuse because they are afraid of the police and don't want to be deported.

There should be some safe spaces and some people who are not allowed to report.

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I have no idea about US immigration law and not the time to get into this myself right now, so I'll ask you:

If being undocumented isn't a crime/illegal, why do undocumented immigrants deported? What right does the police/government have to take them in custody and force them back?

There are actually legal questions in regard to custody. They really shouldn't be able to arrest them, especially since they are often held without bail and without a hearing.

Mostly it boils down to these 19th century cases that called immigration a "plenary power" and said that the federal government can do what it wants. Various laws have been put into place since then, some more restrictive than others, and sometimes putting limits on that power.

But a lot of immigration law really boils down to keeping out as many people as possible. Even with things like asylum we've made it so restrictive and so difficult to get even for people who should get it. But basically the government does what it wants. And because immigration law is mostly for agencies to enforce, the court lets agencies define what the interpretation of the law is and restrict it even further than the actual text allows or the original intent was.

There are so many problems with our immigration law. And the thing is, it is really, really difficult to get here through the legal channels. The caps are ridiculously low for visas. And even legal permanent residents who are supposed to be safe can have their status revoked. It is honestly insane if you look at the immigration system in our country. It is completely and utterly broken (and not in the way that people who want to close the borders claim).

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Oh, and I forgot to add that the courts have specifically said that immigration law is not criminal. Many of them are charged with related crimes. But when they are in immigration court they have no right to an attorney or any of the other rights that are specific to criminal and not civil law.

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the thing is, most illegal immigrants who end up being deported/arrested in cases like this have lived most of their lives here, and usually their entire families live here meaning they'd have nothing if they went back to where they came from

it's especially hard on the elderly who have no means of supporting themselves if they end up being deported... they usually die within a year, because even if some of their children are allowed to stay in the US (conditionally, of course), they cannot leave the country for extended periods of time without losing their conditional green cards

it may be the law, but it's not right. it's not justice.

That is fucked up, and how exactly is it not a violation of HIPAA?

The same way medical professionals are obligated to report gunshot wounds etc. They can treat the patient but if there's a chance that something illegal is/has happened to/by that patient they are bound by law to inform the authorities.

How WOULD it be a violation of HIPAA? They're not giving ICE medical information.

Wow, that's disgusting.

isn't... isn't that breaching on doctor/patient confidentality? WTFFFFF

I bet the doctor is white

That's fucking gross. I will *never* understand how some people are so fucking hateful about immigrants. I don't care if they 'snuck over the border' or took all their tests or fake-married somebody - who *cares*??

Oh, don't get me started on the fake marriage thing. People can marry for money. People can marry for sex. People can marry for health care. People can marry for a house. But for some reason marriages for immigration benefits are considered fake.

People can marry drunk in Vegas. Jayzus, if everyone is consenting, who gives a fuck? So not my business.

Plus, every 'illegal' that works here pays *taxes* here - up to (and sometimes including) federal income tax. So that argument is utterly stupid, and yet it's the one you hear the most often.

Yup. They pay taxes and rarely get access to any benefits even if they need them. So arguments about them draining money are also ludicrous. And they are paying into the system without getting anything out of it.