[ SECRET POST #3177 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3177 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm gonna take this opportunity to talk about how much I hate that their parents are fairly villified. Or at least seen as casually abusive, I don't know. I thought it was really very obvious that the early death of Elsa's parents left her to obsessively warp their warnings and failsafes into self-fear and self-hate. They didn't know how to handle her abilities (abilities that very newrly killed her sister) and neither did she, being a child. They seemed really caring and well-meaning, and were bothered by Elsa's self-imposed isolation. It's also important to remember that Elsa remembers the traumatic event. Frozen, to me, seemed to be about accepting oneself, not overcoming what everyone else thinks of you. Elsa needed to forgive, move on, get over it. Etc. She stifled herself.

YMMV of course.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly my thoughts.

The father taught her "conceal it don't feel it" which basically amounts to teaching her to control her emotions and not freak out everytime she ices something.

Years later Elsa has turned it into "conceal, don't feel"

Removing the "it" changes the entire meaning. Her dad was talking about reacting to the ice, she is talking about her feelings.

At the end of the day, they were trying to teach her to control her emotions and I would bet that once she learned to they would have become more open and talked to Anna about it. Honestly I get the idea Elsa never got over her guilt for what happened to Anna. Her parents didn't blame her they understood she was a child. But she seemed to have never forgiven herself, and that's why her first move when the incident at the coronation happened was to remove herself and isolate herself.

[(Anonymous)]

Except sh never freaks out over icing things until she hurts her sister by accident and her parents freak out rather than reassure her and tell her it wasn't her fault, it was an accident, and encourage her to overcome her sudden new fear of using her powers. She was using her powers fine before the bad timing that got her sister hurt.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Okay one. Of course she freaks out after the accident. That was the first time she saw her powers do something seriously dangerous and not fun. Up until then her powers had seemed all fun and games and happy. Her parents freak out because she's freaking out and the ice is going everywhere. (at on point I recall her father trying to tell her to calm down and her being frantic).

There was a whole bunch of scenes where the father was working with her to help her learn to control her powers. In fact I saw more of her parents trying to work with it. Because they're human they did freak out a little bit, but at no point did I see them turn and take it out on Elsa.

They were trying to find a solution to an admittedly thorny situation the best that they could.

Also as for the isolation argument. They just separated the sisters into different rooms after the accident. Elsa reacted by isolating herself from Anna until she figured her powers out, because she still felt guilty.

"bad timing"

Except to be honest, Elsa did (accidentally) somewhat cause it. It was an accident, unfortunate, she did technically still have some part in. I wouldn't fault her for it because she was a child, but it was basically a super-powered instance of "accidents happen".

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't her parents send away most of the staff etc specifically to isolate her so she couldn't hurt anyone else and try and help her control her magic with no one else seeing? And keep her in her room while trying to train her? I agree it's about accepting oneself, but she only needs to do that as an adult because she hurt her sister by accident, her parents freak and try and get her to control her powers, whereas before they just let her get on with dealing with them herself. The accident scene show Elsa could control her powers fairly well before the accident scared everyone (and the accident, iirc, was only because she 'threw' her ice eithout realising where Anna would be flying after sliding off the last piece of ice, not because she was actually being stupid or trying to hurt her).

[(Anonymous)]

No, they didn't want others finding out and hating Elsa for it since she couldn't control it yet. They, like Elsa, took the "Fear will be your enemy!" warning to mean fear from others who would try to harm her. Also, they just separated the rooms. We see Elsa locking herself in her room.

Also, no, she freaked out, reached for her sister and the ice flew because she was worried and her emotions reacted with her powers. She would never be fine with just reassuring herself, or with just reassurance. That was the first time her powers hurt someone and her sister had to have her memories altered because of it.

[(Anonymous)]

To me they seems like prents who care and try to help but have no clue what they are doing. They didn't ask the troll the exact meaning of his prediction, didn't even try to explain to Anna. I only watched it once so I don't remember exactly if it would be bad if she remembers, but they could at least have made up some reason, like Elsa is sick or something instead of leaving her thinking that Elsa just stops talking to her. They try to teach Elsa about something they themselves don't know much about, and isolated her without knowing for sure how it would affect her. They have good intention, but that doesn't mean they were doing good. It makes them more human, like normal parents can be.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I think it was implied that Anna needed her memory wiped because the magic freezing her was attached to it. Basically, she would keep freezing if she remembered.

[hiyami]

The troll king says it's safer to wipe her memory too. But "safer" and "if she remembers, she WILL freeze for sure" are two different things. The phrasing didn't really convey the latter.

[(Anonymous)]

If they hadn't gotten that stupid "advice" from the rock trolls they probably would have made some better decisions, like taking Elsa to the mountains to let her develop and control her powers and be more confident with them.

God I hate those trolls.