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⌈ Secret Post #3193 ⌋

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ATM the "all we need to do to fix society" responses to the Oregon shooting thread

It's just sad and horrible to think about. I think that's a pretty normal response though. We want to think we can control it or stop these things from happening altogether. I don't think it's possible, unfortunately. You can't accurately predict individual behaviour, no matter what you change.

:(

so, no surveillance on caring a gun on public?

oh great.

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking me specifically. Sorry.

My point wasn't that there shouldn't be further measures put in place to restrict gun ownership or better security protocols for public buildings. I just think that people who believe that there's a simple solution or really any solution that would prevent all spree killings are forgetting the human element.

Australia had a shooting at a university even after the gun restrictions put in place in response to the Port Arthur massacre in 96.
We've also had 3 (I think) mass casualty events involving arson since then.
If someone decides they want to kill a bunch of people, they're going to find a way to do it.

I far prefer our gun laws to America's. I feel safer knowing most people I speak to have never held a gun than I would if I had one in my house for protection.

Do you mean people leapt more to "how can we prevent this from happening again" than grieving over the dead?

Why allow a few moments to grieve the dead and allow the survivors and grieving relations time to mourn, when you can start screaming and trying to score cheap political points the day of the tragedy?

I know you are trolling.

But they're not cheap political points. They're political points, but they're not cheap. They've been bought by the blood of everyone who's died in a mass shooting.

You're trolling on the backs of the murder of 10 dead college students and who knows how many dead people before them. You should really be fucking ashamed of yourself for this. Look at yourself, for God's sake.

I don't troll about serious subjects. People getting butthurt, the usual political blather, fandom, your self-aggrandizing tone, etc. that's all fair game. Dead people? Nah.

The people using this tragedy to get their 'gun control nao' signs out of the closet and make a headline or two while they're protesting, the people taking this time to say 'Oh that bad other side, disagreeing with our knee jerk reaction! How can they be so stupid?' are the ones using this for political talking points.

Alright then if you're not trolling I'll respond seriously.

It's not scoring cheap political points to use this to advocate gun control. Because a desire for gun control does not emerge from a vacuum. It emerges from the real feelings that people have as a result of tragedies like this. The real and emotional feelings that they have. People don't want gun control to fuck with you, or to get one over on the conservatives. They want gun control because they are sickened to death by things like this happening again and again. At least that is how I feel & how everyone pro-gun control that I talk to feels.

Now, I'm sure there are some people who are using it for stupid personal petty bullshit. But the idea that talking about gun control at a time like this is dishonorable or cheap, that is bullshit. This is exactly the time when you talk about how to stop things like this. Now if you don't think gun control is a good way to prevent something like this, that's fine, that's a legitimate disagreement. But you don't need to impugn the honor of anyone who disagrees with you to make that point for God's sake. This is absolutely a sincere reaction.

You accuse me of trolling on the deaths of ten people, then you accuse me of impugning the honor of the people who have likely never handled a weapon, don't know how they work, never took a safety class, and whose first reaction to a tragedy is to get on tv, and talk on the internet about how 'society is fucking insane' and 'American is obsessed with guns'? Okay.

The anti-Second Amendment crowd has no solutions. People on this board are admitting they're afraid, making rude assumptions about gun owners and enthusiasts, and calling people who don't fall in to their perfect circle jerk 'idiots.' The only suggestion they have is to take weapons away from responsible owners. When the only thing you can suggest is to punish the innocent instead of the criminals, you got nothin'. You're letting fear drive you to suggest taking away someone else's property and criminalizing their hobby.

Responsible gun owners don't want you to be shot. They want you to educate yourself. They would like you to be prepared to defend yourself, but that's up to you. 99.9% majority of gun owners are not lining up to take aim at unsuspecting passerby's. They would be the ones who protect the passerby's. The people I know who own guns, also own their own businesses and farms. They have jobs, hobbies, they go to school, a large portion of them serve or have served in the military, and they contribute. A lot of the people name-calling and protesting would be lucky to have any of that.

Your feelings, no matter how heart-felt and genuine they might be, do not determine what I can or cannot do or own.

I accused you of trolling because I know you and you troll all the time, not because of your opinions. Like come on, don't play, you absolutely troll about politics from time to time - it's not crazy you would do it in this situation. If you really say you weren't trolling I believe you. But it was specifically coming from who you are, not who you were saying.

Second, I was not making a point about gun control. I was not saying that my feelings meant that gun control was obviously right. My point was simply that people who are advocating gun control - right or wrong - are absolutely sincere. They are not scoring political points. And it is an insult to them to imply that they are insincere and using the issue purely for selfish reasons. It was dead wrong of you to say that.

I think there is a real debate that needs to be had about gun control, & I think the context of that conversation a lot of your points have real validity. I'm not a hardliner on this - I really do respect the feelings of gun owners. I think we need to find a way to reduce the amount of times that things like this happen, and I think laws about gun control are probably an indispensable part of doing that, but we also need to deal with the people who actually own guns most of whom are different.

But at the end of the day that's not the point that I was making in any regard. The point that I was making was, simply, that people who are talking about gun control are not scoring political points. You may disagree with them but it is absolutely a sincere reaction and it is absolutely wrong to insult them by saying that they're being hypocritical or lying about it. It is absolutely, absolutely wrong.

If you pay attention, you'll notice I have limits. I don't encourage suicide and post the suicide hotline number whenever I see a post from someone feeling suicidal. I don't troll about abortion. And I don't troll about murders. Poly tics, butt hurtedness, that's funny. Suicide? Murder? Not so much.

"I think there is a real debate that needs to be had about gun control..."

That has to happen the day of the tragedy. And has to involve people on the internet name calling, as happened in the other thread. And has to involve protesters blaming the NRA.

You say your thoughts and feelings concerning the issue are genuine. I believe you. What I don't believe is that large portions of the people who do those things I listed above have any honor for me to impugn.

That has to happen the day of the tragedy.

Tragically long experience has shown that it will not happen at any other time.

And has to involve people on the internet name calling, as happened in the other thread.

I don't agree with people doing it. I think it's an expression of real feeling and inevitable, but I don't agree with it.

And has to involve protesters blaming the NRA.

Well, I mean, for God's sake, we've had how many years of the NRA virulently rejecting even any discussion of the idea of greater gun controls. It's not hard to reach a certain conclusion about the role it plays in our national political process.

You say your thoughts and feelings concerning the issue are genuine. I believe you. What I don't believe is that large portions of the people who do those things I listed above have any honor for me to impugn.

As for honor, I think some of them have it; perhaps some of them do not. I think our political process is broken and generally awful. But I don't think that on the whole the opposition to gun control is dishonorable. I don't think it is anything dishonorable in itself. And I maintain that your reaction to it went much further than could possibly be justified, I assume out of some kind of emotional reaction, but still unjustifiable.

i don't think owning a gun is honorable. the thing is 'rhythm' with responsibility.

you know that thing can go on with a trigger.

The only suggestion they have is to take weapons away from responsible owners.

No. Not true. At all.

Nor is your belief that the gun control advocates are using this situation for "political gain". Any of the reactions here are based out of our horror and sadness at seeing this on the news AGAIN. We are feeling deep sadness for those who died. That's why we're trying to press for some sort of change. Jesus, it's only been a few months since Charleston. We shouldn't be seeing this sort of thing in the news yet again just a few short months later.

And if we can't talk about gun control after a massacre, when exactly can we discuss it? When is a good time to talk about it without it being seen as a "political tactic"? Because all that's going to happen if we don't talk about it now is that tomorrow we'll go back to babbling on about Trump or other fluff issues of no importance, and then this issue will be completely ignored...until the next mass shooting happens.

So yeah, I'd say now's about as good a time as any to bring this topic up.

Human nature. The further away from knowing the dead and survivors and relatives, the less there's "a moment" to "allow" them to mourn, and more practical "how can we stop this terrible awful thing from happening again"? Especially if it's a pattern that's preventable. That's human nature man. That's not "cheap political points" per se.

But you know, you're a conservative, so you gotta think like one blaaaahh

That's not human nature. That's the media cycle. A tragedy happens, CNN hypes it because they need viewers, everybody panics, reacts, and after a while the furor died down and things go back to normal. Rinse and repeat.

Newsflash: you don't need a tragedy to talk about your position.

But good job proving my point about people using this for cheap political points. But you know, you're a liberal, and I've come to expect that crowd to make it easy.

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