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⌈ Secret Post #3217 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/YQttLbt.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

There's a metric tonne of projection by the more noisy fans and just as much critism that comes from over thinking every aspect of the show from the scripts to the acting choices. Plus some people don't like the creative team, and they ramp up the nitpicking accordingly.

The truth is the characters both male and female are treated even handedly and the rampant - isms are in the overblown imaginations of Tumblr SJWs.

[(Anonymous)]

Sadly, people don't know how to hate stuff these days. They can't just hate stuff because it isn't a show they like. They have to have receipts over all the bad things the show stands for (no matter how minuscule or subtextual)

[(Anonymous)]

A Scandal In Belgravia was, to me, a shockingly bad depiction of female characters - whether or not you want to call that misogyny. And the fact that straight characters being mistaken for gay is a common humor trope in British TV is hardly an excuse, especially when they go to such intense lengths to have the characters staunchly reject it.

And also, separately, I think it is a show that is bad in terms of its storytelling, as a television show, and as an adaptation of the Sherlock Holmes corpus.

In conclusion, seriously, fuck A Scandal In Belgravia. Fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

Why? A powerful woman who lives life on her own terms is bound to get into trouble occasionally. Irene finding Sherlock fascinating is not a moral failing or a betrayal of her lesbianism (she's professionally bisexual so there must be at least some interest in men burbling in her pysche. Besides theirs was supposed to be a mental fascination.)

I thought it was both a fun outing and very revealing in terms of Sherlock and John's relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

The biggest problem for me is that they took a character who outwitted Sherlock, and turned her into a character who was defeated by Sherlock, solely because of her inability to overcome her intense fascination with him, and then literally ends the story looking up at him with wet, doe-like eyes as he saves her life and rescues her from her incompetence.

It's really hard for me to look at a story, structurally, that does that, and make excuses for anything else it does, whether it be using nudity solely for titillation or the way it portrays her sexuality or what have you.

God I hated that last scene so fucking much.

[kitelovesyou]

I'm with you on this one.

Especially with the last line. I cannot stand that episode, and I'm never watching it again. It made me so :( because it pinged on target each and every one of about a million tired tropes about lesbians that a lot of others might miss.

Common humour trope in British TV? Well that's okay then! What is the source of the humour? What is the effect? It wasn't tooooooo bad in Sherlock compared to some shows, so some progress yay! but there was an element of elbow-ribbing snigger-worthiness, imo.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah fuck that episode. fuck this show.

there's not a lot i get offended at. but i the whole writing behind irene alder pissed me off.

[solticisekf]

Can't believe you missed a gratuitious gay overtones between Mycroft and Lestrade!

I don't see mysogyny in Sherlock. Mrs Hudson and Molly are fine characters. Come to think about it, Molly liked Sherlock. Well, Donovan hated him, so it's balanced.

[(Anonymous)]

Since your judgement about the portrayal of women characters appears to be based around "do they like the central male character [who behaves like an entitled ass to them]" I should say that you probably wouldn't recognise misogyny if it painted itself orange and bit you in the arse.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, OP. This show is textbook queerbaiting. You not interpreting them as having anything queer about them doesn't make it not a queerbaiting show.

And hey, I liked the show, too. But things like "it's a common trope in British humor" is not only meaningless (because the NOT-GAY gag is played in the US just as often), it's also not an excuse for things being in poor taste. To clarify, being mistaken for being a gay couple is not in and of itself offensive, but queerbaiting is something bigger, and it kind of sounds like you just don't really understand what queerbaiting is.

[(Anonymous)]

How exactly is it queerbaiting? Because John and Sherlock live together and have the type of close friendship that reads 'couple'? Or is it because fans project there desire to be a couple on to them and take offense when the show doesn't follow through?

Please explain.

[(Anonymous)]

I enjoy the show a lot, too & I don't see the queerbaiting or misogyny either.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. I can kinda see the misogyny argument when you see how they've handled the Irene Adler character. She goes from being an independent woman who is... well, not a criminal. She's just very smart and capable with a self-made career who manages to 1) evade the pursuit of a powerful and rich ex-lover and 2) trick and evade the pursuit of a highly intelligent detective who's hired to steal something from her. In the end, she saves herself and marries she man she loves.

But in Sherlock, Irene Adler is a sexy lady criminal blackmailer (under Moriartywho prances around naked and has the hots for Sherlock. Instead of outwitting the great detective, she spends a great deal of the time flirty-texting him obsessively and needs to be rescued by him. Not a stellar job, IMO.

[solticisekf]

The ending was a bit weird because I can't see Sherlock going abroad, overpowering a guard and taking his clothes to save her. A bit far fetched.

[elaminator]

Even if it is a 'common trope', I think Sherlock has reached a point where the 'not-gay!' stuff is kind of annoying. (Even if I get why John corrects people.)

And I genuinely like the show but I do think in "A Scandal In Belgravia" when Irene talks about being attracted to Sherlock (I'm not sure what words she used, I only watched that episode once) and insists that John is too it feels queerbaity. (Mostly because I felt the show was trying to make us wonder if maybe John was secretly attracted to Sherlock and in denial about it, even if only in a romantic sense and not a sexual one, but it also seems pretty clear that the show is never going there. It'll never be mentioned again; it felt like it was there simply to give slash fans something to talk about. I won't go into the Irene stuff and I do think that sexuality can be fluid, but I wasn't a big fan of the way the show went with Sherlock and Irene and I can see why it left a bad taste in some people's mouth.)

Maybe I am reading too much into this, idk, but I do feel if nothing else the show should stop with the couple jokes. (As far as them being 'just friends' I get a feeling of longing off Sherlock (for John), but that's shipper goggles and I don't claim it to be canon.)

[(Anonymous)]

That's a good point about what Irene said to Sherlock and one instance of alleged queerbaiting I'd have a hard time dismissing. You can argue the writers didn't intend to imply John actually has feelings for Sherlock and that Irene was just projecting or looking for a way to throw him off-kilter, but it still puts the idea in people's heads. At the very least, they'll ask themselves the question.

[(Anonymous)]

Well it's the entirety of tumblr on 9 episodes. I'm pretty sure that if you picked 9 episodes of any other show and put tumblr onto it you would have the exact same amount of complaints. That is not to say that those complaints aren't true just that every show has iffy bits.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a big fan of the show, and I personally don't have any problems with any of it. Well, I wish they'd handled certain storylines a bit differently maybe, but nothing about -isms or anything like that. That said, I can sort of see where people are coming from when they talk about misogyny or queerbaiting. It's not nearly as big a problem as fandom makes it seem, but there are some issues. But then most shows have those, some far worse than Sherlock and yet for some reason it's this show that's deemed 'worst ever' when it comes to these things.

As for the slash, I do ship it, but I'll admit I do like shipping things. And ships are pretty subjective anyway. Plus, after all the outrageous things you'd probably heard, the actual show will obviously be underwhelming. This goes for the slashiness and the -isms.

[(Anonymous)]

BLASPHEMY!

No, I agree actually. But where's the fun in that, after the credits have rolled?

[solticisekf]

There's no fun. Only drama and pathos, eternally waiting for the next episode.

[(Anonymous)]

I watched part of one episode. Something with teapots. I came in as they show the twist that... dun dun DUN the big bag guy was... A WOMAN. I looked at my friend and went "It's a Moffat show, by the end of it she'll be shown to be a helpless puppet for some white dude who's the real bad guy. Because you can't actually have a woman with real power."

I was right.

[(Anonymous)]

Leading a tong wasn't enough for you? She had to be the ultimate bad too? You have weird standards. And if she had been the ultimate big bad then you would have griped that Moffat has a hard on for powerful women. Look, there's another one of them. You Moffat haters are sooooo annoyingly predictable.

Sherlock Special

[(Anonymous)]

The recent Sherlock Special trailer has just come out and Tumblr's full of fan theories already about how "Johnlock is SO going to become canon" in said episode. It's all based on the trailer shots/Setlock pics we've seen so far, and even the smallest thing is supposedly a huge and obvious Johnlock clue. o.O The meta comes from the same crowd who firmly believe Johnlock is endgame, so I'm not surprised by the reaction.

I understand obsessive fan speculation and fun theories but the whole TJLC ("The Johnlock Conspiracy") thing has reached extreme levels of reaching/projecting. :/

Irene Adler homophobia/misogyny

[(Anonymous)]

The portrayal of Irene Adler was fairly homophobic and misogynistic. I'm not personally in the fandom but I watched a few episodes.

When Watson says "I'm not gay" or something to that effect" Irene said "I am" or something of that sort. (That's the gist of it.) That's a pretty heavy double whammy of sexism and homophobia rolled into one. It's recognized that when gay men say that they're gay, then they're gay and not attracted to women (okay, it's not really. There's still homophobic people that believe that it's a choice etc). Moffat still made Irene have a romantic interest in Sherlock though, which is an issue. (If she had stated that she was bisexual or something like that then it would have been a nonissue, but the idea of Sherlock being an "exception" is ridiculous.)

Of course I'm sure this has been rehashed over and over in the fandom (which I'm not part of as I don't watch the show regularly) and there are better critiques of it I'm sure. (There's probably also special snowflakes squabbling about how it's not homophobic/sexist because of sexual fluidity/the kinsey scale. Still homophobic.) I don't actually count Irene as a lesbian (as she is attracted to Sherlock. inb4 "fluidity/exceptions." This is a portrayal and not a real life person so the conversation is totally different. The only reason she was attracted to Sherlock was because Moffat decided to go in that direction.)

I don't actually care that much though because the actual texts read surprisingly less sexist/more modern than this television interpretation. It's shoddy writing. I'd watch it as a background tv filler if it were on though.