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Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

That being vegetarian is "hypocritical" because plants are alive, too.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[blitzwing]

Do you hate it because they're right?

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

uh... no? I hate it because it is stupid, like the thread topic suggests.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a semi-vegetarian and admit my food choices are hypocritical. I choose what animals not to eat if I see them as too cute or pet-like or if they've been proven to have a certain degree of intelligence. I hate the argument because it's nobody else's business if I am a hypocrite about my personal food choices as long as I don't try to make anyone else eat like I do.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[sarillia]

I don't see hypocrisy there. You have clear rules for what you don't want to eat (things that you feel emotionally attached to because they're cute or pet-like and things that are intelligent) and you follow them. Where's the supposed hypocrisy?

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing wrong with choosing not to eat certain foods for whatever reason. Non-vegetarians do it all the time. I doubt most meat-eaters who bitch about vegetarians would eat dog or cat, after all. If anything, there's more hypocrisy there. Or the outrage whenever horse meat is discovered in someone's hot dog. *eye roll*

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

Not the point, but horse meat is delicious. Kind of like rougher beef.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

Vegetarian here, and I'd eat dog before I ate cat, even though I like both (as pets, not food) equally, because as obligate carnivores I imagine cats taste pretty gamy and gross. Dogs probably aren't very tasty from my perspective either, but cats are pretty much relegated to survival food (or food as medicine in the case of big wildcats) compared to dogs, who are sometimes raised for meat.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

It's not hypocrisy to not eat something you have an emotional attachment to. Especially when, in the case of dogs and cats, the something belongs to a trophic level that most people won't consume anyway if they have another option.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

They're not. Plants are not sentient. Animals are.

(Also, sentience does not actually mean intelligence. That's sapience.)

Oh, man.

[(Anonymous)]

All processed food, all the time. laboratory synthesized ingredients for the win.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[philstar22]

Yup. Not e vegetarian, but this is such a stupid argument. Animals have minds and can feel pain, for the most part. Plants don't. Although, insects don't either, but still.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

There's that, plus, I'm not vegetarian because "I don't eat living things". I'm vegetarian because I'm against animal cruelty, it's more eco-friendly (lower your carbon footprint ftw!) and I'm personally a lot healthier for it.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[philstar22]

Yup. There are so many good reasons to go vegetarian. And honestly I really admire people who are. I don't think I have the mental strength to do it (if nothing else, I could never give up seafood), but I think almost all of the arguments for being a vegetarian are solid, good arguments that should be listened to and not countered with really stupid arguments that don't get the point.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[blitzwing]

Animals have minds and can feel pain, for the most part.

So if you're one of the people or animals that can't feel pain, it's okay to eat you?

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[philstar22]

Not people, no, of course not. And there are other good arguments like the way animals slaughtered are treated. I'm just saying that animals are different than plants. Plants don't have brains, so trying to say it is hypocritical to eat them and not animals is just stupid.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[blitzwing]

Plants don't have brains, so trying to say it is hypocritical to eat them and not animals is just stupid.

That's like saying "Women don't have penises, so trying to say it is hypocritical to eat them and not men is just stupid."

Where is this intrinsic value in certain body parts that makes it ethical to eat or not eat? I don't see it. "Oh, oh brain! That makes you special, you are exempt from X." You have a kneejerk, "That has value!" reaction to brain-holding, and you assume that it must be objectively correct and accurate.


"That's just stupid" is a rather poor argument, by the way. You complain about these "stupid arguments" people make against vegetarianism, and yet your pièce de résistance is "that's stupid"?

And there are other good arguments like the way animals slaughtered are treated

That's not an argument against eating meat, that's an argument against treating animals a certain way. You don't seem to have a very good grasp on what makes something a good or "stupid" argument.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

That's like saying "Women don't have penises, so trying to say it is hypocritical to eat them and not men is just stupid."

this may be the dumbest thing you've ever said and that's a feat

(also transphobic)

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

What are you even talking about? Do you really not understand why this argument is fucking dumb?

1. It assumes why someone is vegetarian
2. It oversimplifies issues - someone whose diet doesn't consist of meat is not going to suddenly eat a steak if they found that cow had a brain condition which made it unable to feel pain
3. Did you actually just suggest cannibalism?

Though I do think the obsessed outrage meat-eaters have about vegetarians is hilarious.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[blitzwing]

2. It oversimplifies issues - someone whose diet doesn't consist of meat is not going to suddenly eat a steak if they found that cow had a brain condition which made it unable to feel pain

I was responding to Phil's point that it's unethical to eat meat because animals can feel pain. The implication in that is that the ethics of eating something hinges on its ability to feel pain.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

There was actually an article on Slate or something, where someone made the argument that because oysters don't feel, that it's okay for vegans to eat them.

Re: Arguments or criticisms you hate

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that argument holds much water, but I do think vegetarians who feel morally superior for not eating meat are hypocrites. If you object to it for moral reasons, vegan is the way to go, like no one seriously believes that the animal products in other things are obtained in more humane ways than the meat, right?