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It may be, but...we are just never truly SHOWN James being a good person. Everything we heard about him was from people who already liked him and have a rosy tinted look back on him. In one case, a very very red rosy look back.

Then, when we are finally shown something that dealt with James, he was an ass. Completely. No redemption, just a straight up asshole with that shit eating smirk on his face.

I mean, can you blame many of us when we don't like James? I don't blame Snape for still holding grudges. Especially against Lupin, not just James. And the reason I say Lupin is because, even if he were teh more rule abiding one of teh group (only just so at that), when Snape was being so callously picked on in that memory, Lupin was basically just sitting off to teh side. In fact, the majority of the from what I gathered, Lupin didn't really actively participte in James and Sirius's bullying. And imo, that's worse than the actual perpetrators. That measn he did nothing to stop it. He just let it go on.

Now, we DID see Lupin became a better person since he was still alive and I think he may have apologized in some way? I think it's why Snape tolerated him...to an extent.

But James we never saw grow up. And tbh, he died at age 21. That's not a while lot of time to grow up from graduating from Hogwarts to dying after Lily had Harry.

But, once again, it all boils down to being told he was a better man as opposed to shown.

If she'd write teh freakin' books set during the Maurader's years, maybe that will clear things up. Though if she decides to write it from someone's perspective, I'd love it to be from Lily's. Not any of teh boys.

Anywho...that's enough rambling. O_o

I mean... It is James who saves Snape's life after Sirius tries to trick Snape into being killed by Lupin.

I'd say that's something.

Eh, even if it literally IS saving his life, it's gonna be very hard for someone like that to clear away all the bad memories and suchfrom the years of abuse at the hands of that group.

That's not anything at all though. "You knew your friend was going to cause a child to be murdered or infected with a terrible disease, and you didn't ignore that" is the bar we set for good behavior now?

That's the bare minimum. Preventing Sirius from killing Snape is something you'd expect anyone who wasn't a complete monster to do. It's not a point in favor of being a good person--it's a lack of a point toward being a monster.

Eh, what? This is a bar that several HP characters failed to meet, young!Snape among them.

Yeah. One of many reasons I like very few of the characters in the series.

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Except that Lily would never have ended up dating him if he hadn't changed. Even in that memory, Lily still HATED James, remember? Her feelings for James had nothing to do with her feelings for Snape. Each was judged by his own actions, and Lily chose to marry James. That's proof enough for me.

Not for me. I want to see that change. Otherwise I'm gonna believe that Lily settled. Not that I wanted her with Snape (i don't ship tbh),just that I believe she deserved better.

And imo, that's worse than the actual perpetrators.

The fuck.

He stood by. He could have gotten the teachers involved or he could have tried to talk them out of it.

I find inaction and passively letting something like that happen worse than the ones who are doing the bullying. And it's not like he was some unaware innocent bystander here.

Yes, this is why we should jail people who see a murder happening and don't interfere, alongside the murderer. Because they are just as bad.

What the actual fuck.

I SAID if they KNOWINGLY see this happen. As in, they have prior knowledge of this thing happening. And Lupin has known and most likely done some of teh same bullying to Snape that James and Sirius did. So yes, he's just as bad if not worse than they are because he just let it happen, even smiling and the like as they did it.

Innocent people who happen to come across a murder are not the same, you idiot. And HOPE those people report it, otherwise...then yeah, that's kind of terrible.

Learn to READ you goddamn idiot.

I find inaction and passively letting something like that happen worse than the ones who are doing the bullying.

Seriously, the fuck.

This whole thread is a bit terrifying tbh!

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I find inaction and passively letting something like that happen worse than the ones who are doing the bullying.

Why?

Because, to me, it implies you don't care. Especially if it's people you know and love doing it to someone you don't like or care about.

That's callous as shit and doesn't sit well with me.

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Now, we DID see Lupin became a better person since he was still alive and I think he may have apologized in some way? I think it's why Snape tolerated him...to an extent.

Snape tolerated him? When was this, before or after he tried to expose Lupin's condition to his students by assigning that essay, or before or after he actually exposed the condition? And we don't see Lupin with Snape at any point after that, not that we know of. Lupin tolerates Snape, speaks respectfully of him, not the other way around

There is one scene they are in together - when Snape delivers the wolfsbane potion to Lupin. I don't recall the details, but I don't think he was particularly rude about it.

I don't think it negates what you say though, over-all I think Lupin was more tolerant of Snape than Snape was of him.

That scene actually takes place before Snape teaches the lesson on werewolves.

After how Lupin failed to manage his condition and neglected to take his medication, which required application of the timey-wimey device to get them all out of, yeah I'd say Snape made a solid call on that. I mean, I do get it was a highly stressful situation for Lupin, but in highly stressful situations it is more vital than ever he manage his condition, that is when it really counts. It'd be like an HIV+ person saying they could manage their condition all the time, except when they got a huge bloody cut then they panic and bleed out around kids who he tried to avoid talking about HIV to.

Snape didn't blatantly leak Lupin's condition until after Lupin went wolf, and while people say Snape went off-lesson and tried to blab during the Defense Against Dark Arts by skipping to the werewolf chapter, it was obvious Lupin was skipping out on that vital info for personal reasons even though Voldemort used werewolf activists. So Snape was kinda on the right side there. We see it as nasty, because we're seeing it through Harry's eyes and Harry likes Lupin a lot, but Lupin really dropped the ball on both his lesson plan and his meds. Nice guy, and nice personal tutor, but he screwed up big time and deserved to be canned.

Lupin dropped the ball on his lesson plan by...not skipping directly to a chapter way ahead in the syllabus? What evidence is there that he was "skipping" anything, and wasn't already planning a lesson that would have been plenty informative when the time came for it?

Lupin was literally created to make the point that prejudice against HIV patients was wrong.

Having him skip out on his meds, and only being averted from causing death and/or infection due to that skipping by being part of a time travel plot, kinda undermines that point then. Sad as it is to say, but HIV+ people (and anyone else who has a highly communicable and potentially terminal condition) have a much higher standard to meet on managing their conditions than your average schmuck off the street. Lupin botched his medication schedule because he wasn't paying attention. In a school full of kids, including both chosen ones, that was unforgivable and he ought to have been fired for that. I get he is a nice guy on his meds, but in that situation there ought to be no second chances. Dumbledore ought to have pulled the trigger himself on that firing instead of going with cronyism again.

That is even without getting into quietly removing his condition from the teaching schedule in case anybody put two and two together.

It's pointedly noted that Snape skipped to a chapter way at the end of the book when he taught the lesson, and several students told him that they weren't "that far ahead yet". It was the beginning of term, basically. This is what you call ball-dropping? Snape was being a petty trashbag as usual, nothing more.

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arcadiaego - 2016-02-05 00:37 (UTC) - Expand

Considering Lupin missed his medication because he raced out to stop someone he believed to be a mass murderer from killing his students, it's less like someone with HIV flipping out because they got a cut and smearing blood everywhere, and more like someone with HIV getting shot in the kids' general vicinity because he didn't think to stop and grab a bulletproof vest before trying to stop a robber.

Are there actions that could have been taken to prevent what happened? Sure. Were they missed because it was an extreme situation, when there's no evidence whatsoever of the character otherwise being careless? Yeah, kind of.

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