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⌈ Secret Post #3354 ⌋

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09. [ warning for homophobia / transphobia / misogyny take your pick, people seem to be divided on this one ]













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Comments

Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, I never got behind this whole thing, but as I understand it mansplaining is when a man tries to talk about women's experience as women as if he understands it more than the women he's talking it, yes?

Ooooor does it just mean a man talking about anything to women like he knows what he's doing?

I ask becuase I always thought it was the former, and while it was never a useful term to me, got it.

Then I read an article about the new ghostbusters and how in the int trailer Kevin saying "We should do something about these damn ghosts" was mansplaining? I mean 1. He wasn't talking about women's issues as if he knew what he was talking about and 2. wasn't the joke supposed to be that he is several steps behind the Ghostbusters who had already reached this conclusion? Not a great joke I grant you. A little bit Corporal Jones in dads army. but Mansplaining? Really?

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's a slang term. There's no official law about how to use it. People use it in both those ways. Which is kinda confusing and dumb but whatever

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

The definition of mansplaining changes person to person. It is a stupid idea used by stupid people.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

^^^Correct.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

^^^ MRA.

Re: Mansplaining

[herpymcderp]

WTF article was this? I am afraid I'm in the same boat here, OP, because... wat.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

When men think they know more than women about anything it's mansplaining.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

"about anything"

well that makes it a pretty stupid term then.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Men know more about penises.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Especially when medical doctors think they know more than anti-vaxxer moms.

Damn those penises.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

It means to talk down to someone in a condescending manner.

Never figured out why it was called mansplaining when women do the same thing to other women all the time. When they do it, it's usually accompanied by a "honey" or a "dear" or a "bless your heart."

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

I know right?

I don't know why it should be called "mansplaining" when I've been talked down to by women plenty of times.

It's shitty no matter who does it.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

All mansplaining is condescending; not all condescension is mansplaining.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Remember when troll meant something other than "person who disagreed with me or has an opinion I don't like"?

It's like that. You need to just forget about that word because idiots made it useless.

Re: Mansplaining

[ariakas]

It's intended to mean the former.

But like Mary-Sue originally meant flawless and universally adored author self-insert but is now just as often used to mean "female character I dislike," and SJW is intended to mean obnoxious tumblr denizen hyperbolically bemoaning first world pet issues but is just as often now used to mean "someone saying something I don't agree in support of social justice," you'll see it varies.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Mansplaining isn't a law to punish stupid men, it's a tool to give women to power to say "No. You shut up now" when men are railroading them.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

I'd go broader than that even. Id say it's a tool to empower women to speak in any circumstance.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

well if a person just says "no you shut up now" when someone starts saying things they don't agree with because they're a dude, that person is a self centered brat.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

There's this one anon that keeps replying to you multiple times and it's so obvious and cringey. They do this on every gender wank thread. Do they not realize it's obvious or something??

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Like other people have said, the exact definition of mansplaining isn't very specific and differs from person to person, but one thing I thought was generally agreed on was that it involved explaining (hence, y'know, the "splaining" part). There's no explaining anything going on in that movie quote, so it's not mansplaining.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

I personally find it illuminating to read this anecdote, which correlates with the time where "mansplaining" was coined as a term (from Wikipedia):

"The neologism showed up simultaneously in multiple places, so its origin is difficult to establish. In an essay titled Men Explain Things to Me, Solnit told an anecdote about a man at a party who said he had heard she had written some books. She began to talk about her most recent book at the time, on Eadweard Muybridge, whereupon the man cut her off and asked if she had "heard about the very important Muybridge book that came out this year" – not considering that it might be (as, in fact, it was) Solnit's book."

I always took that as a baseline, so to me "mansplaining" means a man explaining something to a woman without even considering she might know as much or even more about a topic as he does.

So based on that, I would say that person who commented on the trailer was probably shitposting, and is safe to ignore.

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

The best explanation of it I've come across was this story of a woman who studied a topic and wrote a book about it. Then she went to a party with a friend and the guy who was hosting the party said "I heard you are interested in [topic]. Let me tell you about "[topic]." and starts lecturing on the subject and talking about this book he'd read. The friend kept trying to interject "Yeah, that's HER book!" but he just kept going.

I see mansplaining as the assumption that a woman needs something explained to her by a guy who wouldn't automatically make the same assumption when talking to a man (and the subject isn't something specific to being a man or anything like that).

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

Usually the first one about women's experiences. But I'll consider it mansplaining too if it's a condescension because of gender.

Like if you have a woman computer programmer and some random dude and the guy feels like he has to explain html code to her because 'this woman couldn't possibly be more knowledgeable than me'.

Re: Mansplaining

[diet_poison]

like many other words, it is sometimes misused

Re: Mansplaining

[(Anonymous)]

It has two, not mutually exclusive, meanings.

The first is, as you said, a man trying to talk over women about women's experiences.

The second is a man automatically assuming that he knows more about a subject than a female peer with equal training and expertise (or than a female professional who has more expertise than he does), and deciding he needs to explain things so the poor silly woman can keep up.

The second is occasionally difficult to distinguish from your garden variety Wandering Arrogant Fuckwit. Generally, the distinction's made if he only does it to women, and assumes that male peers or superiors will know what they're talking about (and, occasionally, that male laymen will also know what they're talking about, because the information is handed out along with their guy card or something). If he condescendingly explains shit to everyone unfortunate enough to wander into view, he's just an ass.

It sounds like the people complaining are trying to make the line in the trailer out to be the second type, which it could be - I haven't seen the trailer, so I don't know the context - but it's probably being misinterpreted.