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So it turns out one of the key things coming out of this terrorist attack is the extent of the incompetence of mainland europe with intelligence and police response to investigate terrorism.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/22/u-s-officials-bash-shitty-belgian-security-forces.html
- American Intelligence Officers view on it

http://nypost.com/2016/03/24/brussels-bomber-brothers-took-part-in-plot-to-kidnap-nuclear-official/
- Bombers were involved in a known plan to kidnap one of the most senior nuclear officials to gain access to a plant.

How does this get changed and how can we help them?

I think it is something they have to work out for themselves. Imposing changes, even under the banner of helping, never works out well.

Europe is well and truly fucked.

That was part of the reason we destabilized the entire Middle East ten years ago, to fuck over Europe who rightly realized that a massive refugee crisis was bound to wash up on their doorstep sooner or later. That is why France and Germany were so uptight in trying to prevent the whole thing, the UK foolishly thought that it wouldn't affect them, but were wrong. However, splitting the EU internally and politically, causing a currency crisis, and re-establishing internal borders were all key to America making sure the EU would not evolve as a state that could provide a strategic counterbalance or eventually become a threat to the petro-dollar.

Yeah, it was clearly all a conspiracy against Europe. *eyeroll*

You act like the US have never knowingly destabilized countries and regions before.

Please learn to read.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-03-25 22:28 (UTC) - Expand

Unfortunately we're all fucked. :(

You don't unfortunately.

They've made their bed, and they have to lie in it. I imagine this'll lead for more cries for more partners in five eyes, and expansion of SSEUR. But the reality is we just can't trust them with it.

Obviously you can offer to have people available to help train and upskill them, but they by all accounts have run investigations borough detectives would be embarrassed to run, let alone federal CT investigations.

The only way it's got this way because of what is for intents and purposes intentional neglect in training, resources, and complacency.

Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'intentional neglect'?

Wouldn't suck NSA and CIA dick.

Exactly what it means in the broadest of terms.

They have failed to dedicate to the necessary increase in their security apparatus in all terms - personnel, working relationships, technologically, and ability, despite the developing nature of the terrorist threat being abundantly clear to the national police and intelligence community and the threat posed by it.

The linked article touches on a few of the key points.

Who do you think oriented policy towards this end, and for what reason?

Like, incompetence I can grasp, even criminal negligence. The part that's tripping me up is the intentionality.

Failure to remove all social freedoms and privacy from citizens is intentional security negligence. Protection of private thoughts is what leads to public crimes.

Ah, to clarify I don't think they actually had some greater purpose in allowing themselves to be so incompetent here. I just think that through a complicated confluence of factors leading to their neglect they've allowed it to turn out this way.

It's incompetence and negligence that's put them into a situation where they can't deal with the terror threat posed.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-03-25 05:51 (UTC) - Expand

European intelligence and police have at least two major problems:

1) Territorial pissing matches. Intel isn't shared enough even between different branches of the same country.

2) Political correctness and politics in general. The ruling parties don't want to hand ammunition to the opposition, so they deny and deny that the current situation with the migrants (current and past) has blown up on their faces. This leads to not enough support and funding for the police.

Ooooh, the illiberal left is going to SLAM you for #2.

But you're spot-on on both counts IMO.

Dude, the people who carried out these attacks are the people refugees are running away from.

And your thoughts on Rotherham?

It's a dump, but it was even before all those immigrants turned up. I was telling my mate Og all about it the other day and he had the gaul to say that some of those motherfucking Celts were spiritually enriching the place. I told him to stick to his beakers, proper beakers for Beaker Folk that's what we've always done here. Next thing you know he'd be going soft on the bloody Saxons or Normans and then they'd be over here stealing our women, sleeping with our sheep. Fuck the lot of them, that's what I say. Let the Celts and it'll be the thin end of the wedge, let me tell you mate.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-03-25 00:30 (UTC) - Expand

Most of the people who carried out these attacks are third generation.

1) Is absolutely true.

2) Is a bit more complicated. It's not political correctness per se - I think it has to do with making sure you remain elected (which is different in a multi-part system). I think mistakes HAVE happened with policies on immigration - but i don't thing allowing immigration was the issue, but the utter lack of effort to actually help people integrate.

I have to respectfully disagree that the lack of effort is one-sided.

Now, perhaps. But historically, it has certainly been the case. Hell, in the beginning nobody even thought of trying to integrate people because it was assumed they'd go back.

Hey, person from Europe here. Maybe mind your own doorstep. There have been much worse terrorist attacks in the past, and the whole "it's the authorities' fault bease incompetence blah" hullabaloo will blow over like it always does. I feel pretty safe where I live. Just accept that some stuff cannot and will not be anticipated. No matter how great your authorities are trained.

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