[ SECRET POST #3386 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3386 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Bit early today, sorry!

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What does white coded mean? Is this a Tumblr term?

[(Anonymous)]

It means "I'm embarrassed that when I was a kid I was too sheltered and when I was a teenager I was too stupid, unobservant, and racist to realize a character who lives in Japan with a Japanese name in a Japanese show made by Japanese people was, *gasp* Japanese, if they weren't drawn with squint-eyes, buck teeth, and yellow skin. Therefore, I'm going to pretend the character was something called "white coded" in order to blame the writers/animators instead of myself for the misconception."

[(Anonymous)]

yupppppppppp

[cloud_riven]

This definition is wonderful ♥


To be fair to children though, with things like Sailor Moon and a lot of localised anime and games, a lot of names and places were changed that didn't reflect anything Japanese at all (eg: Usagi to Serena; Katsuya Jonouchi to JOEY WHEELER WHOOOOOO). It's kinda dumb to stick with the "they're white, right?" once you're an older nerd and have access to internet to already know better.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, that's why I mentioned "sheltered" for kids. Which is in itself nothing to be ashamed of, kids believe in Santa Claus etc and aren't embarrassed of it. Being unable to accept that you didn't know everything when you were a kid is a sign of deep insecurity imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, he only anime I saw prior to Sailor Moon were Grimms Fairy Tale Classics, and The Last Unicorn, and every one of those characters was meant to be white/European. Now you've got Miyazaki kingdoms, Attack on Titan, Seven Deadly Sins, Fullmetal, Snow White with Red Hair, etc, etc. all set in European fantasy nations. Anime isn't necessarily always Japanese characters, you can give some people a pass for not immediately thinking "Asia!" every show.

[harp]

I don't think that you need to call people "stupid" for not knowing that a certain TV show came from Japan. Especially in the 90's when the internet wasn't available for everyone and fan sites weren't all over the place. Yeah "white coded" is a dumb concept if you're using it to mean "you drew them like what white people should look like", but there's no shame in a casual viewer (meaning a person who maybe only caught the show every other week or so) not knowing it was Japanese, especially with the way DIC (who dubbed the first four seasons) edited the crap out of the show. Heck, I'd go so far as to say that even if a kid didn't know that CardCaptor Sakura was anime it would be understandable because of Nevlana's extreme (though rather messy) editing.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Well, if a fan who's a teenager doesn't know that anime is Japanese and that it's dubbed in english, yeah, they're pretty goddamn stupid IMO, even without internet. I mean, someone who's never heard of anime but who occasionally saw kids watching Pokemon here or there would be a different story, maybe, but not an actual fan or regular viewer.

Kids get a pass.

[diet_poison]

!! harp! I haven't seen you here in ages! How are you?

[(Anonymous)]

DA. Honestly, OP isn't referring to them. Random kids from the 90s didn't call Sailor Moon racist for being all white, they took it as it was. It's the teens on tumblr who are calling out a JAPANESE work as being racist because it's actually all about white people

Now, if we're going to talk about how the Japanese sometimes do unfortunate stereotypes of black people, then we can talk racism. But "they're all really white because I read a blue haired teen named Nagisa from Japan as white because Japanese people can ONLY have super racist caricature or they're really white."

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

And even further back, for those of us who were kids of the 80s watching Robotech, which basically got the story totally rewritten as well. I didn't know Robotech - or Astroboy for that matter - were Japanese until at least 1997 when I found one of the later Macross stories in a video store.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand this secret means and I don't understand what this white-coded thing is, but I will definitely admit that it never occurred to me that the characters in Pokemon were Japanese. All the characters are white except for Brock who's black/Hispanic....... no? :D

[(Anonymous)]

Actually...it was revealed in an interview that the reason Brock was written off for a season was because they thought foreigners would be offended by him looking like an Asian stereotype. That's why Tracey looks more generalized and it's never established where he's from.

So Brock is not only Asian, he's SUPER Asian.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought that Brock was Ainu?

[vethica]

The first four gens of Pokémon took place in regions based on real regions of Japan, so while it wouldn't be technically accurate to say characters from those regions are "Japanese", it's a pretty safe bet that they're intended to be their world's equivalent.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it doesn't mean anything.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a made-up idea that fans invoke when they either a) don't want to admit they imagine a Japanese anime character as white and think asian people are ugly and therefore insist that the animators *intended* for them to be white, or b) can't figure out how to participate in a fandom that's 99% Japanese where they can't talk about how problematic all the white people are, so they claim the characters count as white so that they can continue to shit on "problematic" scenes that would only be problematic if the characters in question were white (see: the bajillion Japanese male protagonists that are called White Male Protagonists TM) and draw racebent fanart.

[(Anonymous)]

The second thing you're mentioning is whitewashing, which is different from white coding. (And no, it's not a "Tumblr Term", coding of all sorts of different things has been around since humanity started creating entertainment, and white washing has been observed since before Tumblr was a glimmer in the internet's eye.) Lots of fans whitewash Asian characters, which creates all sorts of problems, but I won't get into it since F!S has been really touchy about race wank lately and if I dare mention that maybe if your only non-white pairing/ship/whatever is a pale redhead and his pale blonde best friend, or a pale blue haired kid and his pale redheaded friend, or the only "nonwhite" character you find attractive is that pale girl with blue eyes and curly blonde ringlets maaaaaaaybe you're effectively whitewashing Asian anime characters because your brain considers them "white enough" to find attractive. Of course people won't admit to doing this (well, I will, I did this a lot when I was younger, after I went to college and unstuck my head from my ass and actually met people from other races which was sorely lacking in my shitty little hometown, I stopped this BS), so you have some people claiming it's whitecoding rather than whitewashing.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh hi again. Please continue ignoring all the points people made in last week's post debunking these claims, like the fact that when obviously not white characters do appear in anime, they're no less likely to be shipped than ones you consider "white coded." Your last few sentences indicate that you're white, by the way, so maybe just stop assuming other white people think like you?

[(Anonymous)]

This:

http://imgur.com/1c4Wg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zvj2wdoCTPg/hqdefault.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--BmYLmri3--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18289orcg9293jpg.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8wU_xlCQAAQKyN.jpg

Even Japan thinks that some anime characters look white.

[(Anonymous)]

Sssssh, ssssh.

Anime characters reflect Asian beauty ideals. Which have existed for millennia without influence from European cultures.

I mean, those ideals were drastically different and reflected a more stereotypically Asian appearance before the global dominance of European cultures. Oval faces and single-lidded eyes were the beauty ideal in Edo Japan and before and changed to double-lidded eyes and faces with sharply defined jaws out of pure coincidence that has nothing to do with people after coming into contact with white people.

But I assure you. It is nothing to do with that. At all. It is just like how pale skin is a marker of wealth, thus beauty, even though it isn't anymore and everyone works indoors in much of industrialized Asia and the beauty ideals in other parts of the industrialized world have shifted accordingly to reflect the fact that rich people now have more leisure time to tan. It is a sign of wealth and has nothing to do with white people or white beauty ideals, even though white people are often used to advertise whitening creams.

You racist, imperialist whitey. You only think this because you are racist.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that these are all done by one> person, right? So...one Japanese guy thinks anime characters look white, lets go with him instead of all the bazillion ones that think they don't!

It's kind of scary how easily white people think that the rules of animation (making your main character stick out with more detail, large eyes for expressiveness, bright hair to give the character a distinct visual style, a simple, small mouth and nose to offset the large eyes (something seen in Western animation a lot as well), etc) is somehow indicative of white superiority.

Do you speak Japanese? You do realize the majority of Japanese people find this whole "anime characters are white" debate rather pathetic and laughable whenever someone brings it up, right? They think it's extreme narcissism that we can see a production drawn by and for Japanese people, aimed towards a Japanese audience, aired in Japan, and see Western Whiteness portrayed there instead.

[(Anonymous)]

wtf is this racist shit

[(Anonymous)]

Well maybe, but sjw teens on tumblr didn't invent this kind of language and I find it kind of embarrassing when people act like there aren't valid contexts for it...

[(Anonymous)]

When the current use of that language is not the same as the original and it's used out of context, I think is safe to assume it's the tumblr term and it's tumblr meaning.