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[Shingeki no Kyojin]

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["Seitenkango, Shinyuu to" by Eroe]

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I'm in the UK (that isn't the confession, okay) and there is a big fuss about parents not being allowed to take their kids out of school for off-season cheap vacations. Most of my friends are outraged over it. I'm okay with it. I'm more than okay with it. A fortnight might not seem a lot to adults, but due to illnesses I was off school a lot when I was a kid and a fortnight is an eternity in lesson plans. Every time I had to be off I fell further and further behind and I don't think I ever truly caught up. I think trying to save two hundred quid on a holiday to the Costa Brava or the Canaries at the expense of their kid's education is selfish. I dare not say that outloud.

I'm not in the UK but it sounds like a weird debate. How much of a hardship is it to put your child's education before discounted vacations? But then maybe I'm less sympathetic because 1) you guys get more vacation time overall than we do in the U.S. and 2) you also have greater access to cheap flights and you're a lot closer to a wide variety of destinations.

We specialise in weird debates here. It is a ridiculously huge deal right now, with much moustache bristling and petted lips on either side. Keep kids in school/get cheap holiday to Magaluf is like our gun control debate. Logic and reason have long since departed out the window. And yes, it is just so stupid.

To clarify.

The debate is about the fact that (just overturned) families could be fined something of the order of £60 per day per parents for days missed by kids for anything barring sickness or family emergency or religious bullshit because of course. The debate is about how unreasonable this is. Not 'oh I knock a hundred pounds off our flights if I take my kid out of school a week early'.

Yeah, no. The fine is so that just taking two weeks off to save a couple of hundred is not the money saver. It is so it literally pays to keep the child in school and learning. Illness and family emergency are reasonable reasons to take time off, saving some holiday moolah is not reasonable and it should not pay to do it. It isn't a punishment, it is a cancelling out of that monetary saving for disrupting that child's education and the other children in class's education who now have to have their own education interrupted while the truant is brought back up to speed with everyone else.

Well for starters it's just a straight up badly written law, and the actual reason it's been kicked back to parliament is exactly that.

But skipping past that. Do you seriously think that 'saving a bit of moolah' is the central reason in any meaningful number of absences? It's not, it's plannings and schedules and similar realities.

And the rest of the class is constantly interrupted by the fact we have a system which is terrible at dealing with a huge range of students. 'Catching up' makes no serious impact to that. This is a nanny state law, brought in from a position of patronisation because the government believes 'that council house lot' can't look after their own children, and it's got the side effect of impacting everyone who can make a reasonable judgement call.

There are people who think TWO weeks off of school won't be detrimental to a child?

Yup. I think it is because a fortnight is the standard vacation here so it is a familiar unit of time and that as an adult a fortnight seems no big deal (most of us have either ridiculously rose tinted glasses about how hard school is, especially since lessons have got much more packed in the last fifteen-twenty years or are deluded about how smart their kids are) and don't remember or care to remember how long that seemed as a kid.

Another Brit here, and I totally agree with you. It's also teaching kids that it's okay to break the rules to save you money. No. Holidays are more expensive in the summer because demand is higher. If you can't afford to go abroad, stay in the UK.

Barrow-in-Furness is nice at this time of year.

No, wait. I mistyped that, Barrow-in-Furness is nice at no time of year. The Isle of Whithorn is nice though. If you can get over the fact that it (a) is not an Island, and (b) is fifteen miles away from actual Whithorn.

The courts made the right decision.

The people who it would most effect the most, in the politest possible terms, are pretty screwed anyway? If you do not have parents who are looking out for your education you have across the board worse outcomes, and a week or two wouldn't effect that.

However, if you have parents who have high expectations of you and the support structure in place, it won't make a real difference. And you could miss out on some hugely beneficial experiences. This isn't just theoretical for me. My parents are travelling to Japan for a work trip, and were looking to take my little sister with them but this was a real thorn.

As someone at the top of the curve academically, is an extra week of busy work going to be as beneficial as a month experiencing an entirely different culture on the other side of the world? Clearly not, but that's a decision they looked to take out of my parents hands, who are in a better position to make then them.

The court made the wrong decision and every parent and kid believes them to be top of the curve. School is more than just "busy work" and it is more than just rote learning.

Actual academic achievement within the confines of the system is fairly measurable within the current system fam. This is only so pen to interpretation.

And a significant amount of work during the schooling day is simply busywork and rote learning. Nobody said it was entirely that - but the system just is not set up to be that fine tuned. You just can't when catering to such a wide variety of abilities and needs. And it is not so designed that a student cannot catch up for a missed lesson now in each class now and then.

My confession is that by the time I was in junior high, I was so terrified of missing school because of getting behind that I went to school sick all the time - nothing short of vomiting coud keep me away - and I probably caused a lot of absences by giving people the flu, but I'm not sorry and I'd do it the same if I had it to do over again.

(Before you ask why my parents didn't intervene, remember that at upper grade levels US schools start at stupid-o-clock in the morning and I was usually out the door to catch the bus before my early-rising dad was out of the shower. My parents had no idea.)

What is stupid-o-clock? Not from the US but my high school started at 7:36am and ended at 2:36pm.

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