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⌈ Secret Post #3443 ⌋

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Tell me what it is. On mobile and am not going to try to copy and open that link

It's a link to a youtuber talking about this kid Brock Turner. He's a fucking monster and the courts gave him a stupidly short sentence (6 months) because they didn't want to ruin his life.

I didn't give much of a description, and I'm still keeping the details light, because it's all fucking atrocious.

Are you really sheltered? There has been outrage over this for at least 4 or 5 days. Nothing F!S can do will touch the outrage seen online and offline over this. It has even been top page news on Reddit for three days.

People who can actually affect things are trying to affect things: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/06/stanford-sexual-assault-judge-recall

Edited 2016-06-07 22:27 (UTC)

I agree that he is awful and the sentence is deeply unjust

I'm mildly curious why you linked some YouTube person and not the press coverage, the victims letter, etc

This.

The statement by the victim actually made me feel sick, and not much does that. That's some impact right there.

+1 Exactly.

The jury found him guilty. The JUDGE gave him a short sentence. There has been ongoing outrage. The victims statement is trending. The entire world is outraged over the light sentence, the fathers dumb comments and brocks friends dumb comments.

It is very much an outrage but it's not unknown. Still trending and front page material.

Six months in prison is still real prison time. Ease up.

Six months in the county lockup is not the same as six months in the state pen.

Have you ever been in jail? Serious question. It's a deterrent, even if it's for six weeks.

As I said below, the real problem is not that prison terms are so short for that boy's social class, but that they are so long for the lower classes.

*snort* No, because I don't run around raping people, or doing other things that will get me tossed in jail. Clearly, it wasn't a deterrent to this guy, otherwise he never would have done what he did to begin with.

Which was committing three counts of felony sexual assault on an unconscious woman. In case we're forgetting. And he seems to have absolutely no concept that what he did was wrong, nor does he seem particularly sorry. Terribly sorry he got caught, yes. Sorry for the deed, not so much.

Since I wasn't following this case, I thought I'd better look up the story, because "rape" is defined so broadly.

Wow. Raping an unconscious woman is very bad; and six months is a pretty short term. I don't think it should have been shorter. But still, it is a felony conviction, which will follow him through his life. And again, six months is real prison time, and unless it was just time already served, it would count as an appropriate sentence when you're just concerned about justice and not putting more bodies on the chain gang.

My point is that something can be very bad and not call for sending a 20-year-old to prison until he's 40.

That Americans think the super-long sentences should be mandatory is the real miscarriage of justice in this story.

Well, how about until he's 25? Or 30? With the entitled attitude he has going, just how long do you think he will take to learn his lesson? And, yes, I realize that "jail" is no walk in the park, but the county lockup is, as I said above, a far cry from the state penitentiary.

This case sends a twofold message:
1. If you are a woman and a rich kid rapes you, don't bother reporting it. You will be raked over the coals by his lawyer and your rapist will get a slap on the wrist.

2. If you are a rich kid and rape a woman, lawyer up and you will get a slap on the wrist. Because, you know, we wouldn't want to ruin your life or anything, poor baby.

Re: TW Rape

diet_poison - 2016-06-08 02:21 (UTC) - Expand

Are you SERIOUS??

First of all, six months is WAY less than people routinely get for shit like selling pot. Violating someone in such a way that she will carry it with her for the rest of her life, possibly with PTSD, should earn you way more than six months.

Secondly, don't forget it's actually more like three months since the sentence was given with the stipulation of "get out early with good behavior".

like I really cannot believe I'm seeing someone justify this sentence here omg

I think this insisting on how damaged the victim is is harmful to victims because her very own account shows how a lot of the victimization only happens later and how you can only be taken seriously if you suffer, and do so as publicly as possible or you're either lying or "it couldn't have been so bad". I wish people stopped buying into these narratives and only judge the actual crime. People are traumatized by accidents, too.

Also, the disgusting behavior by the criminal and his family during and after the trial and the crime are two separate things, and that should be kept in mind. Like she says in her letter, she thought, had hoped, that he would settle. That would not have reversed the crime but could have helped her to put it behind her. What makes this case a scandal is how she was attacked and victimized again during the trial.

I mean I was basing my assessment of this off the statement issued by the victim? I don't think she's going to be ~victimized forever~, but the harm he did to her was real and extends beyond the rape itself. I think it's disrespectful to downplay that; that feels like playing into the narrative of the attacker who still doesn't admit he did anything wrong.

Not sure where you are going with "you can only be taken seriously if you suffer"? (She still wasn't taken seriously by the judge or the perpetrator's family, and the only reason she's taken seriously by the internet is her story went viral)

And if you cause an accident out of negligence you can still go to jail for that.

I'm disappointed.

In the context of the American legal system generally, it is a profound miscarriage of justice.

There's a lot of validity to saying that the American legal system should be more merciful. But you can think that at the same time as you recognize the specific facts in this case are outrageous to any reasonable observer. There are problems with the American justice system. One of those problems is that the system is disproportionately harsh on poorer offenders and light on richer ones; another is that sexual crimes against women are given disproportionately light sentences. As long as those general factors are the case, I think a case like this is going to be viewed with outrage.

This is a very sensible comment.
I'm inclined to say (having grown up in a family of people in law enforcement and the justice and penitiary system) that 6 months is not really that light a sentence, especially for a first-time offender under 21, but I say that coming from a legal system that works differently.

Specifically, I think stuff like these lifelong sex offender records are bullshit and often either abused by the defense to argue how their client didn't deserve to be branded or ridiculously harsh toward people who dare caught doing a public exposure prank.

Very true. And there certainly are ways in which the legal system is too harsh - we put drug dealers away for 20+ years sometimes, like wtf is up with that

Jeez, I normally like you and your opinions, but this...

FUCK YOU.

I'm thinking all these things I want to say to you, but case would delete them, so let's just say you deserve everything I'm thinking about you.

Fuck you fuck you fuck you.

Really?

OK, the USA has literally a million persons in prison for longer terms for lesser crimes on lesser evidence. Terms set in place by racist politicians who wanted to look "tough on crime," but really they meant, "lock up black men and deny them voting rights."

So I guess I could go around telling every American who is OK with that "Fuck you fuck you fuck you" times a million, all day every day for the rest of my life. But I have better things to do with my time.

NAYRT and I think they were rude. But in this instance, we're not talking about the United States' general policies regarding incarceration. We are talking about whether or not 6 months is an appropriate sentence for a rape. Which is not - to me - a lesser crime, and in this case no one would say there was lesser evidence.

And the fact that you're ignoring that basic reality is what's baffling to so many.

By "lesser crimes" I meant lesser than this one.

You know, I want to apologize. I posted hastily. Six months does sound really short. It was a heinous thing he did.

But I'm going to stand by most of what I said even if I lose all the respect of everyone here.

Most rapes aren't prosecuted. Many rapists will get no sentence because no case can be made. I'm not going to whine about someone actually getting a felony conviction just because he didn't get the sentence I would have chosen. Calling for vigilante justice in this case is silly.

Six months is probably pretty close to the appropriate sentence for a first offense. It would have been close enough for Cory Batey, too--but he was a black man in Tennessee.

It's not that I don't appreciate how bad rape is. It's that I don't think you appreciate how bad confinement is.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-06-08 15:22 (UTC) - Expand

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