[ SECRET POST #3469 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3469 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Drogo was also a murder-by-torture rapist violent bad guy. I mean, is there that much difference?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. He isn't a rapist in the books (at least not by Westeros standards) and the only person I can recall him "torturing" is Viserys.

[(Anonymous)]

uhh don't he and his gang go around pillaging, raping, and murdering. pretty sure that's a thing they do.

[(Anonymous)]

But there is a psychological difference between what Drogo is and what Ramsey is. Drogo is a warrior whose culture is okay with raping/murdering/pillaging the "other" who can also form close and loving bonds within his own group. Ramsey is a psychopath with anti-social personality disorder. He can't form bonds with others at all, even his family.

[(Anonymous)]

All I'm seeing is that they are both violent murderers who enjoy rape and torture. I hardly think their victims care much in whether or not they are capable of forming meaningful emotional bonds.

[diet_poison]

I hardly think their victims care much in whether or not they are capable of forming meaningful emotional bonds.

But we are not talking about their victims. We are talking about their SOs/family. You are making a completely different argument from the one the thread is about.

[(Anonymous)]

The point is, both men are disgusting and horrible, and if we're in it for "healthy" relationships, I fail to see how one is morally superior to the other. Both are fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

All I'm seeing is

I respect that you acknowledge that the malfunction is at your end. That's more than a lot of people can do. I wish you the best of luck in learning to understand things better, and I hope one day you can look back on this post and go "It was true... that was all I could see back then" and feel a swell of pride at how much you've grown.

[(Anonymous)]

lmao the scary thing is it seems you actually think Drogo is an okay dude because his ~culture~ says the atrocities he commits are okay. GoT fans are cray.

[alexi_lupin]

Drogo is acting in the way that his culture had socialised him to act. His behaviour is acceptable in his culture. Of course this doesn't make his behaviour acceptable to our moral standards but it does mean that in his own context his behaviour is normal and he would not be considered to have any kind of mental illness.

Ramsey's is not. People in Ramsey's society think his behaviour is utterly and comprehensively wrong. In his context he would be considered to have something wrong with him mentally.

I think that's all they're saying.

[(Anonymous)]

Why in the hell are you even watching GoT lmao

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't bother arguing, AYRT wants to see things their way and isn't going to be convinced.

These aren't people you want to argue nuance with.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, doesn't seem a point. Nuance is too hard of a concept for them.

[(Anonymous)]

lol at you and ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

He loved Theon in his way.

[(Anonymous)]

No. He possessed Theon and enjoyed torturing a possession.

[(Anonymous)]

Ha! No.

[(Anonymous)]

Thramsay fans, I swear to god.

[(Anonymous)]

whose culture is okay with raping/murdering/pillaging the "other"

So he's basically like the Syrian refugees then?

[(Anonymous)]

uhh p. sure the Syrian refugees are fleeing exactly that kind of thing because they don't like it or want to join up with the people who are doing it

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, they're angels. Sweden isn't the rape capital of Europe. Cologne didn't happen. Nothing to see here, move along.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody likes you or is interested in the game you're trying and failing to play. The things you can't help thinking about yourself at three in the morning are all 100% true.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry reality is so inconvenient to your narrative.

[diet_poison]

I would posit that in the context of Drogo's native culture he was pretty normal. That's NOT to excuse his actions, but is IS evidence in favor of him not being a psychopath (i.e. not being mentally unhealthy) and therefore being able to feel love and compassion.

People are complicated, especially characters in a shitty society that's basically based on people doing shitty things to each other.

[kallanda_lee]

There is, actually. you can be violent but capable of love. Like the OA said, there are pathologies in which that is literally impossible because these people are not capable of love or empathy..

If you're squicked by both, that's understandable, but there is an objective difference.