[ SECRET POST #3476 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3476 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

01. http://i.imgur.com/ipq6sdt.png

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry you can't tell the difference between things existing naturally in real life and things existing because someone chose to make them that way in fiction because they find them to be the most appealing option.

[herpymcderp]

Not sure that's entirely true? Most (good) authors aren't looking for the "appealing" option unless they're trying to make a point about an idealist society (see: soviet romanticism) or trying to work around a tricky historical period that's likely to get them crucified. Even then, that doesn't mean that the most appealing solution is to make everyone white- usually far from it.

A lot of the time those situations arise when people are trying to reflect real life demographics to make their points... For example, good luck trying to find a lot of poc representation in Amish Pennsylvania. If you're writing about that, you're probably writing specifically because there is a point to be made about that kind of cultish society.

[(Anonymous)]

Amish Pennsylvania isn't totally closed off. They could easily interact with people of different races.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that would not feel forced at all.

[herpymcderp]

Sure. And generally when they come into town for stuff they do, in my experience (some of my extended family are dairy farmers in PA). I'm just saying it's not going to be a very diverse novel if that's what you're choosing to concentrate on.

Similarly, ancient Norway isn't really going to provide a whole lot of opportunities.

There are a lot of real life instances where you just don't see the amount of poc characters those diversity mods are looking for.

This isn't even getting into the issues with writing poc characters if you're a person who doesn't have that much experience with a particular social group, and the problems of stereotype and accusations that can arise from that (e.g. JKR's really terrible attempt with the whole Native American magic thing recently). Not that that's an excuse to not try to educate yourself, but if it's between that and erring on the side of not making a damn fool of yourself, I'd advise any writer to maybe not make a damn fool of themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, someone's trying to read between the lines big time.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. I think people do talk about it the way that OP says, on occasion.

[(Anonymous)]

Interestingly, in the United States, all-white and nearly-all-white communities don't exist naturally. They appear to, and most of the people in them sincerely and innocently believe they just naturally came out that way, but it's not actually so. In every case that's been examined, there's a history of deliberate, often violent segregation that's generally been quietly forgotten about.

http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/sundowntowns.php

I don't say this as a moral judgment on OP or on anyone here, but it's useful to understand the history involved. And again, this is about the U.S.; Oslo's pretty dang white for other reasons.

[(Anonymous)]

But what if OP isn't talking about the US specifically? People do that sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I live in a 99% white community in Australia (there's a few people from the Philippines and Uzbekistan). It's because the Aboriginal people were either murdered, died of disease (from 1880-1900, not that long ago) or were moved to "missions". Another town I lived in with similar settlement demographics had about 5% Aboriginal people because by chance settlement was less violent there.

[(Anonymous)]

It would be useful if people in the US made an effort to understand the history, culture and problems of other countries as well. Many people on the web are very quick to jump on people before properly considering that the person they're attacking maybe didn't mean to be a racist pile shit for not being diversive enough in their writing or art.

[blitzwing]

Pretty much. It's like uhh...you ever hear of this thing called population demographics buddy?

[kallanda_lee]

I tend to agree.

[bur]

I don't get why it's so hard to be inclusive and diverse without sounding insulting, condescending, or holier than thou about being inclusive and diverse.

It's like those parodies of people talking about their Prius.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I agree with this. I could rant long and hard about so-called "reverse racism", but I just don't feel like it.

[(Anonymous)]

Some people don't want to actually BE inclusive and diverse, they just want an excuse to be negatively critical and bullying but hide behind a cause. Which is as annoying as fuck to those of us who DO want to have inclusive and diverse media but without being assholes about it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's difficult growing up in a 99.9% white country and having Americans call you racist online when your original fiction features mostly white people. It's a different world guys. What you call "white" consists of several distinct demographics here, with different cultures and power dynamics.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Which country, if you don't mind? Australia is enough like America on the racism issue that it barely makes a difference.

[(Anonymous)]

A different anon here. Let's say Poland. Where you can spend whole days in a large city without seeing a single person of colour. Becaue there are so very few of them here.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate it because it reeks of typical SJW "tough talk" designed to gain brownie points, as if the act of creating a whole diversity mod itself weren't enough. How else would the cool kids notice your progressiveness if you don't constantly rub it in everyone's face?

It's also weird to me how often it's white people themselves that do this. I'm not white and even I don't get as overly offended over fictional whiteness as some of these fans.

[(Anonymous)]

It's also weird to me how often it's white people themselves that do this. I'm not white and even I don't get as overly offended over fictional whiteness as some of these fans.

I think it's some kind of fandom version of "but I have black friends!" Which works about as well as you'd expect as a protest.

[(Anonymous)]

But they should exist

[(Anonymous)]

Secret!anon wasn't complaining about the existence of mods like that. They specifically stated they were glad they existed.
They're complaining about the attitude in the mod descriptions/advertisements of said mods, which is a whole 'nother story.

[caerbannog]

Is this a game? it looks really cute