[ SECRET POST #3484 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3484 ⌋

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[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/SVT7iQj.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I think there are a few male examples

Like, just off the top of my head, literally every single male Aaron Sorkin character ever

Except Isaac from Sports Night I guess

[(Anonymous)]

Women are most often put in that role because they're most likely to act like moralizing Judgey McJudgersons in real life, too. How many male vs. female SJWs do you know IRL?

[(Anonymous)]

This is a bad post. Sheesh, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

you need to get off the computer and interact with actual people more, nonny

[herpymcderp]

How many female preachers do you know tho.


Didn't think of it from that angle, didja trolly mctrollerson?

[(Anonymous)]

I dumped a guy for being a SJW. Male ones exist.

[diet_poison]

I feel like I have encountered more men than women like this though I have met people of both genders like this as well. Anyway not sure if this was intended to sound vaguely MRA-ish but lol no.

[(Anonymous)]

Bollocks. Also misogyny. Someone's been called out for being an ass and doesn't like it. Cry moar.

[thezmage]

I do think it's largely because women tend to be put in more often as morally perfect side characters even when they end up with some rather blatant flaws. See also Sam from Danny Phantom

As for male examples, the one that comes to my mind immediately is Eragon, which I think the main difference for him is that he's the main character. Either way, the script tends to treat these characters differently. Men, for example, tend to get rewarded, while women are more often to get a moral about "of course you're right, but tone it down a little."

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair women are the moral center for most societies.

[(Anonymous)]

I dont really see where you're coming from. Could you explain?

[(Anonymous)]

The picture doesn't really look like Emma Swan, but the text fit her so perfectly that I was really confused until I realized JMo had also played Cameron on House. Apparently, she's making a career of playing unlikable, self-righteous characters.

[sadiesockmonkey]

I thought the secret was going to be about Emma as well, Anon.

But then OUaT has the worst morality scale I've ever seen. I love how they act like it's unthinkable for Snow White to slap Geppetto after discovering his own self-interest in keeping Pinocchio safe is the reason Emma grew up abandoned. And then she had to apologize for doing it. Hahahah, WHAT?!

[(Anonymous)]

Two words: Scott Summers.

[herpymcderp]

I think you're missing the point re: Cameron. She was just the first of many to morally oppose House. It was basically a running theme of the show that at some point his particular interpretation of medical ethics (or lack thereof) was going to be his downfall. Cameron was put there especially to be hated, true, but she was fulfilling a role that was foreshadowing for how the rest of the series was going to go. If I recall correctly eventually House winds up alienating more or less all of his colleagues and most of his friends with his moral choices, and those who don't leave wind up leaving because they themselves were more morally bankrupt.

That moral compass character doesn't always have to be a woman, but it's lazier to write because of the nagging wife stereotype [see: Skyler in Breaking Bad (although she subverts the trope), what'sherface in TWD, etc].

[(Anonymous)]

Would Light from Death Note count?
The whole story is litterally about him thinking he's the only one with a correct moral compass and trying to get away with killing people.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you watch shows where writers overly rely on the trope where the supporting female character plays "conscience." (And this whether she's justified or not.) So your reflexive idea of what the "character occupying the moral high ground" looks and sounds like is feminine.

[(Anonymous)]

Both those characters are weird cases because there's an extreme, over-the-topness and one-ideal-this-month-different-ideal-next-month characterization that normally doesn't happen in characters meant to be soap-boxing or/and aggressively self-righteous. I hated both and assumed sexism first off, fell out of both fandoms, waited a few years, revisited the source material, and was able to make sure it was actually just godawful flip flopping by the writers using the characters more than most to back their writing out of plot corners, so much so that it often negated or regressed already flimsy development.

It's actually fascinating how much Cameron and Sara aren't characters, just loudest voice tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

Captain American in Civil War?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree about self righteous characters. I can't stand them. I hated Sara too, and it was almost always where she was so sure she was right and arguing everyone else down.

That was one of my big problems with CSI Miami. Calleigh and Delko both became so self righteous, and worse, the narrative always supported them. The whole team had their moments but those two were the worst. I absolutely hated it.

I think a lot of procedurals fall into this trap, but there are usually one or two characters who stand out in particular.

[crossy_woad]

self-righteous male character who thinks they're always right??

What about, oh, HOUSE????????????

[(Anonymous)]

Duncan MacLeod.

I got tired of his bullshit well before that show finally sputtered to a halt.

[(Anonymous)]

This was one of the reasons why Eli Loker from Lie To Me bugged me to no end. Well, this and his claim to speak the truth when he clearly didn't.

Charles Xavier anyone? Obi-Wan Kenobi? The Winchesters? Batman?

[dancinbutterfly]

I am Obi-Wan Kenobi and I never officially finished my training before I was given an apprentice but I say that Jedi don't have emotional attachments Anakin. Jedi are impartial Anakin. Except we're against the Empire. Also you're my brother and I love you(direct quote) but I'm going to judge you super hard for loving someone else and having a family and emotions, then falling prey to manipulations of someone who says "I think its okay for you to have those things" when I didn't even though I positioned myself as LITERALLY your only support system from childhood. I'm then going to make sure that your son thinks you're both dead AND evil at the same time but! I'm the good guy here and your son's moral and ethical compass for three movies!

Yeah okay.

Christopher Nolan's Batman does horribly sketchy immoral shit while preaching about The Right Thing To Do the whole time for all three movies and doing shit that basically destroys the city he vowed to protect.

Sam and Dean Winchester are HUGELY guilty of this. Oh we have to do whats right! We have to go by an ethical compass! Protect humans - unless they are killers! Kill monsters - unless they are nice! So really the morality that counts is our personal judgement on a case by case basis wherein we the Winchesters are judge jury and executioners but its whats RIGHT. Cosmically.

And do not get me started on Charles Xavier. You have the power to go into every major government on earth and erase all discriminatory laws and you wont do it because of your ethics and morals, but you'll go into the minds of friends and students and look at their memories and sometimes erase them? Also you claim to be a pacifist but you've got an army OF PEOPLE YOU'VE BASICALLY BEEN GROOMING SINCE THEY WERE CHILDREN TO BE WEAPONS but you give Erik a hard time for scooping justifiably angry adults off the streets? And you're the moral center of the universe(Granted I'm working mostly with movie universe Charles but still). That doesn't seem quite right.