[ SECRET POST #3549 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3549 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Fire Emblem Fates]


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[Stellan Skarsgård in River]


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[Labyrinth]


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[Mr. Clarke from Stranger Things]


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[Criminal Minds]


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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/ctmpaWl.jpg
[Labyrinth]

[kallanda_lee]

The way I've always seen it, Jareth is not exactly...in touch with humanity. I'd agree it's more fascination than love, though I do think he genuinely wants her to stay at the end. I think he's just sort of bored and lonely. I feel he's more looking for a "companion" in the broad sense of the word.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed.

And sometimes, I feel like I'm in the minority, in liking the ending. Other people seem to wish she'd stayed and married him or something, mostly just because they're attracted to David Bowie. I think that would have ruined the whole point of the movie.

[kallanda_lee]

I'm not out on that one. But,that has more to do with me really disliking Sarah's (steph)parent using her as a free babysitter that with thinking she should have married Jareth.

[(Anonymous)]

Was just talking to someone who says they prefer to ignore the message and the ending in favor of a romantic Sarah/Jareth fantasy. I didn't know how to respond-and I'm a bigger Bowie fan than they are and have been so for longer. But the whole pairing just ultimately screams "bad idea!"

[(Anonymous)]

tbh, 90% of the fic for J/S that I've come across hinges on them re-encountering one another, on a more level playing field, once Sarah has grown up. since her rejection of 'selfish wish-fulfillment at the expense of an innocent party' is an integral part of her character development.

[(Anonymous)]

There are fics that make that ending make sense, though. Like someone else already said, the majority of the fics in this fandom involve a grown up Sarah and a more level playing field where she confronts the Goblin King again on her own terms and they both come to a more reasonable understanding that ends in romance. The fandom is really sweet and quite sensible like that.

[erinptah]

Thirded.

For me, the Sarah/Jareth romance is appealing because she leaves at the end. When she makes a clean break, it establishes her independence and self-assurance, confirms that "you have no power over me" is true. If there was any doubt about that point, there wouldn't be any chance of them getting to have a loving relationship as equals afterward. (Giving Sarah another ten or twenty years of life and experience doesn't hurt either.)

[arcadiaego]

I'm a pretty epic Bowie fan and no she absolutely should not have stayed, and that was absolutely not the point of the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

different anon:

I know Roommates plays on the Jareth was "lonely" angle, coupled with a "because you were nice to me". (Pages 130-133 to be accurate. All aboard for a feels trip)
http://asherhyder.deviantart.com/art/Roommates-130-Falling-182290121 - tiny arc starts here

[(Anonymous)]

We mostly see Jareth through Sarah's eyes, and she sees him as the villain (a fascinating one but still very much the bad guy). Therefore, his interest in her isn't really framed as romantic in their scenes together because that's not how she perceives it.

What convinces me that he genuinely cares about her is how he looks at her during "Within You" while he's watching her explore the Escher Room. We see how he responds to her when she's not looking, and Bowie definitely seems to be playing longing. Obviously, your mileage may vary.

[(Anonymous)]

Jareth was Sarah's way of working out why her mother left and how to grow up and not be like her. Sarah's mom left with "Jareth" or, rather, the actor her mother acted with that looks exactly like Jareth. But now Sarah is imagining herself in her mother's place and Toby in hers. Her mother made the choice to run off with Jareth. Sarah chooses Toby. She puts away her fantasies and saves Toby while her mother made the childish decision to leave Sarah. In Sarah's fantasies Jareth does love or lust after Sarah but she imagined that her mother was weak and powerless against "Jareth." This is why the "you have no power over me" line is so important. It's Sarah's way of choosing her own path (hello, Labyrinth!) and not following her mother's.

[(Anonymous)]

wow, i have never thought that deeply over this movie.

[(Anonymous)]

I think he thought he had feelings for her, but he's a fairy, and fairies don't think or feel the way humans do. He's Blue and Orange morality, from our perspective amoral, without the ability to feel true empathy. If he loves her, it's a childish, selfish love. I feel like anyone who sees that relationship as one which could last, they're reading the movie the wrong way. The point is that meeting your Jareth and being willing to walk away from him is part of growing up.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Jareth is basically Peter Pan, but for teenagers instead of prepubescent children.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I agree with that, particularly the point that he is a fairy and has Blue and Orange morality. He's the Goblin King, so he's a form of fae.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

I never got sexual tension from it either. Curiosity, fascination, maybe.

[(Anonymous)]

Not even in the ballroom scene? That look on his face when he steps forward and they start to dance could melt steel beams, man.

[emmzzi]

my age group aw it as we hit puberty. Therefore there is sexual tension everywhere.

I think there was something there.

[(Anonymous)]

Though that may just be because of his pants.

Re: I think there was something there.

[(Anonymous)]

There was definitely something there.

Re: I think there was something there.

[arcadiaego]

They did do the tights on purpose to make him look like a sexual symbol - I know that's obvious but I have heard some people question whether it was somehow just an oversight! (How you would not notice that I don't know.)

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I honestly think you have a very valid interpretation of it. The comment up-thread that I replied to about Jareth being a Fairy is very much something I think true, and that is an idea that fits exactly into your idea.

[arcadiaego]

Hmm, I partly agree. I think Jareth's appearance and actions are shaped by Sarah's own imagination (or by whoever summons him), so there might be some sexuality about him (she's a teenage girl after all) but really he's beyond things like that. Usually those sort of trickster figures seem to want to just own stuff for the sake of it for a while until they get bored.

[(Anonymous)]

I totally agree. I always thought he wanted to add her to his collection; like her collection of royal-themed playthings fascinated him so and he wanted to started one, or something.

He tried to put on a face for her so he could seduce her into staying for any reason -- "love," infatuation, interest, being a princess in a bubble and playing royalty.

On the other hand, I think he ultimately knew it wouldn't work, but expected to have fun playing with her through the Labyrinth and eventually killing her, nonetheless.