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⌈ Secret Post #3702 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[thewakokid]

I hope he melts down. Spectacularly. I want to see him snap and think he is mad max.

But mostly I want him to put the fear of Riggs into the editing team on the movie so that they don't fuck this one up too.

I agree, he has chops as a director.

[(Anonymous)]

He does hate the Jews a bit, though.

[(Anonymous)]

He's been keeping that under wraps for the last few years, and working with Jewish charities, so maybe he doesn't anymore.

[thewakokid]

I was going to say "Nah, you don't just stop hating people" but to be honest that's pretty damned cynical of me.

My gut is telling me that he saw the hit his openly hateful shit copped him, and he's keeping it on the DL.

BUt you know, maybe. Maybe he never actually hated them and was just going through some shit, and maybe, yeah, he feels bad and has turned shit around. Both are totally possible.

I am a little skeptical myself, I gotta admit.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a case where I'm pretty loath to cut him slack because it feels like it's something that's not entirely that far from the rest of his political views.

Not to say that all Catholics, or even all hard-line conservative Catholics, are anti-Semitic, but it is a bit of a recurrent issue in that general segment of the population. It makes me a bit more suspicious.

[thewakokid]

I see what you're saying, but to my view of things you might be focusing in a bit too tight on the Catholic / Antisemitism.

I can't think of a single religion - Maybe buddhism, maybe - that doesn't have some real issues with every other religion.

I don't think the Catholics have any harder a line on Judaism than Jews have on Islam, than Muslims have one Hinduism, and soon and so forth.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, see... "keeping that under wraps" implies there's something to hide or hold back. People who don't have a paranoid hateboner for Jewish people and who don't believe they're at the heart of a powerful conspiracy controlling the world don't have anything to "keep under wraps". As for working with Jewish charities, my guess is that's a belated attempt at PR.

[thewakokid]

Oh, yeah, totally. I mean, I wont be inviting him to any of my family reunions or anything, but that man can direct.

[(Anonymous)]

won't say hollywood has a short memory but.....they certainly don't have a conscious, do they

[morieris]

I'm torn (Well, i'm not torn, he can burn for all I care) - I don't want him to direct SS 2 even if the first one wasn't great and hacked to hell and back, but if he directs it and WB hacks it up again - well, that would be hilarious.

[(Anonymous)]

He's definitely a talented director. But the material he chooses to work with is questionable and overly violent.

[(Anonymous)]

Would you mind expanding on what you mean by that? Do you mean that his themes / settings / plots are questionable and overly violent, or that the way he depicts it is particularly questionable and violent?

Like, I have no particular love for Gibson as a director or a figure. But it seems to me if you toss out things like Hacksaw Ridge or Braveheart as appropriate themes for movies, you're getting rid of a lot of other movies, including some really good movies that I do like a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

Both. Hacksaw Ridge, Passion of the Christ, Apocalypto....... all violent stories and filmed in an overly violent kind of way. There is just no need to make movies that are so exceptionally gruesome and realistic looking. The new Mad Max was excellent and it wasn't half as violent.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Okay, but most war films are going to be predisposed to violence, same as action films. I mean, do you think Tarantino has questionable choices and too much violence? Or anyone who directs 90% of slasher films?

[(Anonymous)]

I think QT is more judicious and sparing in his use of violence. It's also more stylized - which is the opposite of realistic.

I don't watch horror/slasher movies.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's some kind of a division between matter and story here - that the stories are violent, and that Gibson films them in a particularly violent and realistic way, are distinct things to me. So thank you for clarifying there.

But even then, I'm just really skeptical about the idea that movies with those themes or that style are unnecessary or bad. I think you can have war movies with very realistic even gruesome depictions of violence and have that be good... just as one example I think Apocalypse Now is a very fine movie, and I don't see how it's different here.

[(Anonymous)]

When Hacksaw Ridge came out I was reading reviews and people were like, it's great but be prepared for how sickening it is. Nobody says that about Apocalypse Now. Maybe they did when it first came out but I wasn't around to see that.

[sarillia]

The "there's no need" argument is always strange to me here. There are very few movies that I'd really say we need but I'm still happy so many others exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I think violence should serve the story. Once it gets beyond a certain level of gruesomeness, it's not serving the story anymore, it's serving itself. In other words, it becomes violence for its own sake.

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on your definition? There were far more deaths in Fury Road than the first MM, for example.

[soldatsasha]

I disagree. I actually kind of like Gibson as a director largely for how he does handle violence. Yeah, it's gruesome and brutal, but that's exactly how it should be. If a character gets shot in a movie I think it should actually look like they got fucking shot, they should be in pain, they should have to scramble to stop the bleeding, they should go into shock, etc.

Violence isn't glamorous, it's fucking horrible, and Gibson has been one of few well-known directors to actually treat it that way.

I really don't like non-brutal violence, like in most action movies. People don't walk away from explosions. They don't role through broken glass and come out fine on the other side. They don't blithely mow down armies of mooks.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly I wonder if he didn't have some sort of mental break. It seemed to come on so suddenly. I admit I don't know the guy so maybe it was bubbling in private for years, but publically it seemed like it happened almost overnight.

[(Anonymous)]

I find it really, really annoying how everybody alwasy talks about his antisemtici rants and everybody forgets about him being an abusive asshole to his girfriend and mother of his daughter(verbal and psychical - he's a fiull package) - the tapes of him screaming awful things at her on the phone are on YT; I dare you to listen to it and not want to never see that guy again.

[arcadiaego]

I like his stuff too but man, does he have a lot of shit to do that sorting out with.