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[ SECRET POST #499 ]

⌈ Secret Post #499 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 18 pages, 445 secrets from Secret Submission Post #072.
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11. The plot is there, it just takes a loooooooooong time before anything pertaining to it actually happens.

16. seriously?

19. I used to love the books, but always hated the trio.

39. HAHA oh man I forgot about Veronica Mars totally. Even though Logan was forever going to be a jerk I thought Duncan was a bit of a wet blanket.

44. Yoshiki is a highly strung, excitable drama queen. I feel I'm missing the point of your secret.

Edited 2008-05-18 21:22 (UTC)

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No idea if you're the OP or not but I still hope they're not serious. It would be a little pathetic if they were.

oh, yeah I'm the OP... I guess it sounded funny and obvious in my head? *shrug*

Sadly, I sorta agree with the OP on 16, cause I really don't see how anyone really likes that craphole waste of a character.

OP again.

Well, me either. It's kind of a joke, but it's just that I don't see the appeal so much so that it's truly baffling to me how people LIKE her. Figured I'm make an over-the-top statement about it.

Indeed it is a mystery.

I can understand why they like the IDEA of Bela, cause that could have worked, but the character that we were given?

I'm baffled.

And I love your over the top statement, mostly cause I secretly think the same thing sometimes.

"Sadly, I sorta agree with the OP on 16, cause I really don't see how anyone really likes that character because she's a girl."

Fixed that for you. Fuck off.

Well, I honestly have no idea who that woman is, or why people hate her but I still think the idea of spies~~ is a little far fetched. Please, feel free to elucidate more on that.

OP

Why certainly!

In Supernatural fandom, it's pretty well-known that people from the network and the show itself involve themselves in our online antics. I mean, Supernatural is not a huge show, so the family is pretty small.

If you're unfamiliar, the show's basic premise is about two brothers, hunting evil. In the third season, the network signed up for 2 new "lead" females. One, Ruby fits better with the show (in my opinion, obviously), because she's a demon, and the show right now is pretty heavily involved with demons. Bela, on the other hand, steals magical objects and sells them. She is just a pain in the butt every week. There's really no mystery as to whether or not she'll end up helping the main characters (unlike Ruby).

I PERSONALLY don't know anyone who likes her, and it's not just because she's a female (like others would have people believe). Which is why I jokingly think it's someone trying to convince people to like her.

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http://tarariri.livejournal.com/2209.html

Haha I see my friend Evan posted there. But wait, so your girlfriend wrote that? That still doesn't help me understand it.

It's more Yoshiki in the fic than Yoshiki irl.

Now I think you're missing my point. I guess the secret would make sense if I sat and read the story, something I have no intention of actually doing. So, I guess I'll just forget about it because you're not explaining anything to me..

Admittedly, I love Harry. But I totally understand where you're coming from (even he got on my nerves a lot).

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I didn't like a lot of the characters actually. I only read it for the story, not because I cared about the characters although it all sucked in the last two books.

11. If you consider that a decent plot. The fandom develops the plot far more than the series does.

Obviously I must like it to some extent, otherwise I'd have quit reading it a long time ago. I've no idea what the fandom does for the plot and I can't even imagine what they do to improve it anyway.

If you call slash fanfics something with plot. But KHR is supposed to be fun title to read. Yeah, it gets serious at times, but never that it loses the spirit it had.

And the plot is simple for each arch and how they affect the overall story, it doesn't a rocket scientist to figure it out quite honestly.

HAHAHA this is my point exactly. I like it so much because it is so fun to read. I'm really not into KHR fics, let alone of the slash variety or shipping any of the characters (except Lussuria/Ryohei). There's nothing wrong with that at all, but to me the focus of the story is so far removed from who each character has a crush on that I don't even think about it except the Tsuna/Kyoko parts.

I'm not talking about slash nor do I even like slash. Heh. I'm talking about the gen fics that every once and a while I stumble upon that are positively excellent.

I think it is. Not the best plot in the world, but it works effectively and it's fun to follow because Reborn is one of the few shounen I read past 20 volumes and loved every chapter of it past the Daily Arc. If it isn't your kind of thing, why still read it?

First off to not give something fully a chance is judging it prematurely and therefore wrongly. I don't like to take a negative stance regarding something unless I give it a chance. I think the series comes with sometimes an interesting cast(ie: The novels are far more interesting than the actual manga) I'm sorry but the way it is constructed is just... it's been everywhere. Yes of course it has slight differences apart from other things, but it still wasn't a unique development. I didn't say the plot isn't tolerable, I just don't consider that a strong enough plot to make the series rely on it as it's strong suit. Regardless of the background it still follows the dynamic: fight, powerup, fight, powerup. Not only that but the character relationships are also built on a tried and true system.

I'm not criticizing your taste, I just have experienced things that have truly had plots that have stunned me. I actually preferred the daily arc to some extent because the plot didn't become essential but it relied heavily on character interaction, when it started making the plot the full force, it became the same series as every other shonen on the planet.

I don't know, the Daily Arc wasn't that unique in other shounen gag manga and I think it was the weakest of the series.

I think it's because you're looking for originality, for me execution is much more important than anything because even an original plot can fail miserably if it can't execute right. I think Reborn does that just fine.

And the plot isn't everywhere. It's pretty straight-forward:

Daily Arc: character introduction and building their relationships also the calm before the storm.

Kokyou Arc: The first real taste of the mafia world through one of its notorious criminals, Mukuro.

Varia Rings Arc: The first step into the mafia world and the first real challenge for the seat of the 10th.

Future Arc: The arc that makes Tsuna accept his futre as a mafioso don by showing a future how it would be if Tsuna continued to be as he is (not saying he doesn't have enough growth but he underestimated how important his future actions would affect everyone).

Personally, I think it manged to stand out somewhat with the characters and the series is pretty character driven. Also it somewhat subvert the tried-and-true tropes of recent shounen. Like Tsuna is a loser, but he is a normal boy in the middle of this mess, plus he's the uncommon main character doesn't want to be the best of anything or aiming for that. In fact, he has no choice in his future, he could only accept it to protect his friends. Same with Gokudera, who would've easily fallen to the trap that characters like Sasuke fall into. I like it that he doesn't get over and trust people easily but it's a constant struggle for him for his character.

Plus the action is the best I've seen in a while, it's been a long, long time since I've seen a tournament that didn't feel like it was dragging it's haunches and that it had a lot of character interaction in it too so it wasn't too entirely focused on the training. And the main character didn't completely dominated the fights either. In fact, Tsuna technically lost his critical battles since Mukuro (Xanxus only lost because he was adopted, Spanner could easily finished Tsuna off because Tsuna didn't know Spanner was inside the suit).

Those little things make me continue on with the series at a point I usually get burned out with long-running series.

Well it wasn't that unique, especially since they went through every typical japanese event that always happens, but at least it was entertaining.

Execution and originality are equally important... that I completely agree. I mean one show I adore to death deals with teen drama topics: anorexia, pregnancy, but doesn't treat them like the way I've seen them treated before. I just don't think Reborn's execution is that excellent either (I've felt it dragging at certain points)

Well see to me Tsuna exists everywhere. I mean look at Simon of Gurren Lagann, all he wanted to do was dig, but he was dragged into things by Kamina, started a weakling and eventually turned into something bigger. To go into shonen jump series, Yusuke was just a punk given a second chance and was forced by Botan to become good in return for his life, Yoh is suffered into doing the Shaman King thing is because of Anna and his family where instead he'd rather just listen to music and sit under a tree. I mean I could go more in depth but Tsuna exists on different levels but similar to other characters. Yes he did start out a weakling, and I did like that, but then he has that "other side" which is almost superhuman... sounds a bit like Yugioh (especially the original) doesn't it?

Also Gokudera reminds me a lot of Kuwabara, who also started out as a bit of a screw up punk with a tender heart. He also really felt loyalty with Yusuke eventually. And since when was it uncommon for shounen parties to completely dominate? If I remember correctly, in most cases there is that need to have both wins and loses occur, even at critical moments, i mean thats what makes half the JRPGS last as many hours as they do.

But really I'm glad that these things feel original to you. I mean I presented ideas to my mother that I thought were great and after she explained how she's heard them before and therefore they felt less excellent. I didn't say that it's an awful series, I'm just recognizing it from my own personal experience, as something that doesn't really stand out and really turns out to be formulaic... again... not that there is anything wrong with that.

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