[ SECRET POST #3769 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #3769 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Dragon Ball franchise]


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03.
(Overwatch, Hanzo Shimada)


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04.
[Undertale]


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05.
[King of Prism/Pretty Rhythm: Rainbow Live]


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06.
(Rosario Dawson)


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07.
[The Adventure Zone]


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08.
[Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor in Batman vs. Superman]


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[Supernatural]










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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/wAIgb42.png
(Overwatch, Hanzo Shimada)

[feotakahari]

Keep in mind this is the same fandom that's still trying to redeem Reaper.

[(Anonymous)]

and woobifies junkrat and roadhog, known murderers.

i think since overwatch in general is lighthearted (i mean, reaper. it's hard to take him seriously) people just go along with it and there's nothing wrong with that.

yeah, they have plenty dark elements to their stories and it's nice to explore those, but overwatch is meant to be a HOPEFUL universe and i think just having fun with even the villains is entirely within the message.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it would be super, super easy to redeem Reaper. All TPTB have to say is he was brainwashed just like Widowmaker was probably brainwashed.

[(Anonymous)]

redeeming Gabriel Reyes =/= redeeming Reaper

[(Anonymous)]

He's hot

Also, and in a more serious vein, it seems to me that this is the sort of thing that mostly falls under genre conventions

[rivia]

also bear in mind that prior to their cinematic, set years after the Incident, hanzo 100% thought he succeeded in that murder.

[(Anonymous)]

It's very, er strange, in a video game where the objective is to regularly kill characters online (who then respawn) to draw hard lines at killing others. I don't mean this in a way that's critical of OP but in terms of games like this where does canon become canon and how much does murder and attempted murder actually mean? I know to some degree you gotta suspend disbelief, but it may sort of explain why a portion of the fanbase doesn't view it as a big deal.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't it canon that Hanzo was "forced" to kill Genji by the clan elders because Genji didn't want anything to do with their crimes? It's still a shitty thing to do, but I don't think it was entirely Hanzo's decision to kill his brother. The fact he went into angst-mode after he thought Genji died says a lot; if he didn't regret what he did, he'd probably be in charge of the family and continue their "legacy."

(not even a Hanzo fan or anything; I'm one of those Junkrat and Roadhog woobifiers Anon above mentioned, lol)

[(Anonymous)]

(sa) give me adorable roadrat any time of the day tbh, but it really irks me when people make him into a misunderstood overwatch member and secret sweetheart, which seems to happen a lot with him and mei?

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I don't think it was really "forced", pretty sure it's canon that Hanzo is big on honor and disgracing the family and shit, and I mean...think about it. If someone said "go kill your sibling" would you be like "oops guess I have to, I don't really want to though!"? If he had love for his brother I feel like running away from the clan together would be more feasible, not "sorry brother I love you but they said you have to die so oh well".

Not to mention it takes a real cold MF-er to slice up your own brother. I have a feeling they didn't think too much into this because it's REALLY nasty, but sword injuries are gruesome as fuck. I imagine Genji was likely split open pretty much. It would make sense regarding why so much of him had to be cyberized.

[(Anonymous)]

I still don't get the McHanzo hype (other than they're hot together, which has never done it for me on its own ever). Though I played over 13 hours of McCree last month and I accidentally started shipping McCree with Genji though (in the French dub Genji and McCree seem quite playful when talking about what's faster between Genji and one of McCree's bullets... and now we know they were both in Blackwatch!)

[(Anonymous)]

NA

...I mean, McGenji is like barely one step above McHanzo in terms of throwing random hot dudes together. There's really no hinting that they're friends or anything.

I'm not trying to shit on you for shipping it or anything, I just don't really get the kind of offhanded "oh that doesn't ever do it for me on it's own ever" comment sort of disparaging McHanzo when McGenji is just as guilty of being pretty much pure wank fodder because people like the idea of fandom's headcanon of McCree as the sexual, playfully dominant cowboy putting the moves on fandom's headcanon of Genji as the submissive cockslut (which is such a pervasive Genji headcanon no matter who you ship him with, and it's a huge pet peeve of mine, but that's neither here nor there!). There's no actual canon to draw from for McGenji, they don't really speak to one another in comics, there's literally one voice line (that sounds more like McCree is offhand threatening to murder Genji) and that's the exact same amount that Hanzo/McCree get (and I'd argue the McCree/Hanzo line fits their fandom interpretations of the taciturn Hanzo and the flirty McCree better even if I don't ship them either)....yeeeah.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if being agents in blackwatch at the same time is 'barely one step above McHanzo' who genuinely don't know one another. Also the one interaction MH have was mainly added because of the ship being the fandom juggernaut. Idk I don't really have a horse in the race but I see MG having enough basis to be a feasible ship

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I mean they were agents in Blackwatch at the same time, that doesn't scream "besties/potential ship" to me though. For all we know they barely interacted. Not to mention again, the one snippet of interaction we have between them sounds like they're not exactly buddy-buddy, which seems to be the default fanon interpretation for McGenji.

Regarding the McHanzo thing, look I don't ship it and I think they're as ridiculous as McGenji, ReaperGenji and a bunch of other ships where it's pretty obvious wank material and nothing else, but is there one shred of evidence to point to that interaction being added because it's a fandom juggernaut?

Pharmercy and Genyatta are two other fandom juggernauts, and I don't see Overwatch adding nods to them.

I fail to see how McGenji has any more basis in canon than McHanzo at this point. I know this fandom doesn't exactly have a huge wealth of evidence for most of the ships (even ships like Genyatta, Gency and Reaper/76 (I have no clue what the portmanteau is for this ship) don't exactly have a huge abundance of fodder, even if the canon has implied deep relationships between them), but McGenji has basically nothing. It's literally one sort of antagonistic sounding line during gameplay and the nebulous idea that they were in the same organization at the same time. (So were Mercy and Winston but I don't think they were fucking like bunnies!)

I would consider that barely a step above McHanzo, yes. As much as I really don't enjoy the ship, at least the McHanzo line seems to imply the fanon dynamic of McCree being a thorn in Hanzo's side (if you want to extrapolate on that and imagine it's sexual that's obvious fanon but still) and Hanzo being annoyed by his uncouth American Cowboy-ness exists. McCree and Genji's fanon "bestest friends" thing has basically zero evidence to it right now.

[(Anonymous)]

...Genji was a known playboy. I'm not surprised he'd be turned into the fandom's massive raging turbo slut.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know much about this canon, but "tried to murder his brother" sounds pretty tame compared to things other popular woobified characters (in different fandoms) have done.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

It's more like "for years he thought he totally succeeded in murdering his brother", but I kind of get what you're saying. I still agree with OP that Overwatch fandom is weird as fuck about this though. Just because other woobie characters have done a lot worse (there's that one hugely-in-the-closet gay serial killer guy from that horror game who tries to carve up handsome men to turn them into women so he can marry them and tumblr absolutely creamed their collective underwear over him) doesn't mean that this one isn't another case of "wtf fandom".

[feotakahari]

What on Earth is the game you're referencing?

[(Anonymous)]

Outlast. You know, there was this one WIP shipping fic that was dealing with the psychological after effects of the main character having been tortured by the dude, but once he managed to free the residents the batshit insane guy (Eddie I think) was put away in a proper hospital where he was being very very heavy rehabilitated. Fandom decided that, no, this character was completely and utterly unredeemable (you'd think with the way people always go 'OH THEY HAD A TRAGIC PAST' they would have been all up on woobie-fying Eddie, because his past was EXTREMELY fucked up) and the main character couldn't have his own psychological shitstorm to go through, and, lawdy, it was ridiculous. The author wasn't trying to glorify the Stockholm in any sort of way, and they got ranoff the internet. They never finished the fic and I'm still hella salty because you could tell a lot of research went into the psychological aspects and the different things as well and it was getting to the good part (I was 75% sure the dude wasn't getting better in any sort of case and was gonna snuff the fuck out the main character. Listen, I love a good mindfuck fic).

[(Anonymous)]

To add on to the other anon, it's specifically the DLC "Whistleblower" for the first game and they're talking about Eddie Gluskin. He's one of the most horrifying enemies I've ever seen in video games period, and not just because of what anon mentioned - he wants the perfect bride, and God help you if you don't measure up. Nothing like a guy who calmly stalks you while either warmly calling you "Darling!" or bitterly spitting out "whore", often within one minute.

It's a stretch to say the character is in the closet though. Like I said he wants the perfect bride, all his pre-game victims were female, and the experiments done on him makes him literally think anyone he sees is a women. Since he's in a male-only asylum it's... bad news for anyone who runs into him. Including the protagonist.

[(Anonymous)]

Because this is fandom, and this seems to be the trend as of late, due to antis overwhelming Tumblr. Gotta sweep all of the bad shit under the rug and focus on the boring coffeeshop AU's.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been thinking about writing a Genyatta fic that delves into the darker, more realistic side of this a little more. There's potential for a LOT of really volatile emotions to draw from, and it would be interesting to explore Genji's relationship to his increasingly cyberized body (I'm really curious what eventually made Genji get the mostly-full cyberization, especially considering his hatred of his new body for awhile) and working through his emotions about Hanzo trying to kill him.

I feel like some parts of fandom might accuse me of bashing Hanzo, even though I think in order to explore it in a realistic way you have to delve into just what a monstrous act that was. The potential for angry fan stanning makes me nervous to start writing it though!

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're really underestimating the background both men come from. In Japan, family is EVERYTHING. This is a culture where samurai would commit seppuku(they would disembowel themselves) over shame. Honor is important.

Imagine being told your whole life the same thing - the Clan is what matters. Do whatever you must for the Clan. Put the Clan first. Hanzo is also the eldest brother, the one who was supposed to assume the mantle of running the Clan, which means extra pressure, extra lectures. What a toxic environment to grow up in, where you're basically conditioned to think a certain way from a very young age.

So yeah, I can buy him killing his brother for the Clan - as he was told to do, probably by the same people who told him his whole life how to think - and then falling to pieces afterward.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care for Hanzo at all but he HAS spent his entire life since "murdering" Genji trying to atone for it, so I can see why people want to redeem him.