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[ SECRET POST #3799 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3799 ⌋

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[Death in Paradise]

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[Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]

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[Hook]

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[Parks and Recreation]

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[Elementary]

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[Persona 5]

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Obligatory Sword Art Online submission for this topic. I know SAO didn't invent the idea of virtual reality gaming or anything, but it had a lot going for it in development - nice attention to detail in the gaming itself, pretty art, a fantastic soundtrack. But whoever the hell wrote the actual plot decided rather than playing it straight, they were going to make a poorly-executed harem without trying to develop a plot at all, instead skipping around to harem scenes and then the end within the span of like 12 episodes. Which was a rush but then again, gotta get to that incesty imouto-chan plotline asap.

welp, that's anime for you

if the implication is that all anime are harems with incesty imouto-chans and isn't as a genre capable of telling a straight story, idk watch more anime, man

it's not true of literally 100% of anime, but it does seem like a major problem with the genre in general

anime is capable of telling straight stories, sure, it's just that like 90% of the time the people who make anime decide to tell stories about incesty imouto-chans instead, even if they start with an interesting concept

DA I'd say 90% is an exaggeration.

Yes it's definitely a problem and I hate when I come across series like that without knowing beforehand, but there's a ton of anime out there that isn't like that.

If that was 90% of anime I would have given up anime long ago, but there are some good stories in anime. I'd even argue it has a leg up on the western animation industry because they don't limit their stories the same way the western industry does.

I mean, maybe 90% is high. I admit that I haven't done the statistical calculations here. I would say it's endemic to the industry though.

Calling anime a "genre" suggest that you've only been watching one genre of anime and you think all anime is that genre with those few exceptions... which actually, aren't exceptions to the "anime genre," but are the few anime you've seen that aren't in the genre you keep coming back to watching.

As for your "genre," avoid shonen fantasy anime based on light novels.

I think it's genuinely tricky to figure out what word to use here, and I acknowledge that "genre" isn't a perfect fit, but I think it's the best option available. Certainly, it's more accurate than calling it a medium, because what's distinctive about anime compared to other examples of animation is the specific cultural context that it comes out of and the varied collection of styles, topics, modes, approaches, etc that it has in common. And I think that anime has also been distinctively influenced - certainly in the last 20 years - by a fairly specific, coherent otaku fanbase.

It's not that I don't agree with that criticism, but that basically applies to most mainstream movies, TV shows, and games. Well, minus the imouto-chans, maybe, but in regards to female characters in general having no purpose but to be sexy and also in love with the main male protagonist. I don't think it's an anime problem so much as a "sex sells to our target demographic" (especially when that target demographic is teen boys). Anime isn't the only medium to ever have issues with forgoing plot to give fap material to 14-year-old boys who've just recently discovered their dicks.

Sure. But it does feel like that's very predominant in anime.

DA I agree with this, I think more then anything there's just a problem with fanservice in anime and a lot of it being connected to the overall sexism in the entertainment industry.

Anime at least gives some fanservice of male characters as well and tries to target a female audience at times, I wouldn't say it's exactly equal but it's more then some industries do.

My only personal issue is that I don't want any of it, I can tolerate it since I've been watching anime long enough but I tend to find fanservice more embarrassing then sexy.

It's especially true of light-novel based stuff, though. Most of the time the shittiest anime stories I've seen tend to come from light novels, and it's rare that I see a light-novel-based story that doesn't devolve into bullshit haremy stuff.
Not that ALL of them are like that, but it's reached the point where if I see that a series was based off a light novel, I am leery of it. Especially if it looks like there's a dark-haired male lead with several female secondaries.

Oh man, I watched the first two or three episodes of SAO and I feel this so hard. I love the sort of concept of games/VR as "reality", like SAO or .hack or Star Ocean.

And there's so much to explore there, especially when it's presented as some kind of MMO. You could look at contemporary gaming culture and online culture (trolls, the benevolent overlord players who hand out freebies to newbs, NEETs, how groups of anonymous people organize themselves into societies, memes, ALL OF IT). You could play with game concepts, like does death just boot you from the game or do you die in real life, and does the distinction matter to the people you left behind in the game-world? And layers of reality, is an NPC a person if it's advanced enough to think and feel for itself, even if it's just lines of code? Plus all the fourth-wall stuff that you could play for comedy or for dramatic effect.

There's just SO MUCH that could be cool, but instead they made yet another shitty harem anime.

:(

After being outraged by the anime, I spent a lot of time plotting how I would've done SAO in my head. I made a whole cast of characters, complete with their backstories. If it had been me, I wouldn't have revealed the actual identities of the characters in the first episode, I would've juxtaposed real life people who look nothing like these game characters and let the audience figure out who is who. I mapped this out so seriously I thought about writing my own original version, but I don't think I could get away with that at this point.

But hey, maybe SAO as-is was more marketable in the end than my non-harem version. Still, I wish I had been hired as the lead writer. lol

Man, that would've been way cooler, especially juxtaposing people with their online counterparts like that. There's so much you could delve into with the whole, like, psychology of being someone else? Just escapism for some players, and for other people a chance to be someone totally different.

Haha, idk. I think a lot of anime studios think that the only way to make a marketable show is to do moeshit or harem or whatever. But obviously the most successful anime generally have not been these things. If you look at classics, like Akira or Sailor Moon, or even modern popular shows like Yuri on Ice, they aren't skeevy niche harem shit. SAO might've been the next Cowboy Bebop if they hadn't alienated the majority of their potential audience with the harem crap.

Yeah, exactly! I thought it could be escapism from real world drudgery or problems for some, for others, just the enjoyment of playing games, or because they had friends doing it. While escapism is maybe a little obvious as a theme for a story about a video game, it's also so relevant. I've had MMO addictions before, and the sensation of accomplishing something that's measured in experience points when life outside just feels messy and complicated is a real thing, and it would be cool to explore that from a more mature, psychological standpoint. Plus, it's SUCH a cool opportunity to bring a diverse cast of players together. Like, so many ages and backgrounds all equalized in the game to presumably look around the same age. I get if it goes too deep, you're changing the target demographic, but a more serious take on the story would've been sooo cool.

Also, I wish the reveal at the end would've been done so much better in regards to whether or not people actually die if they die in-game. They briefly teased the idea that maybe these people didn't actually die (I think with the assassin lady in the anime?). That would've been really cool to play into more to try to convince the audience, to set up hope that deceased characters might actually be okay... and then the protagonist waking up in a hospital bed and finding it all was real after all would've been a lot more chilling.

Have there been any good animes about gaming? I swear every time I try one it's entirely directed at a male audience and they forget that women play games too.

Genshiken I guess

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