[ SECRET POST #3825 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3825 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 61 secrets from Secret Submission Post #548.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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Games thread!

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of get this. Usually when male characters are dumb, they're "dumb but strong" or somehow useful in another way. When female characters are dumb, they're almost always "dumb but pretty," which is useless except as a sex object.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a bad script.

[(Anonymous)]

It does annoy me. It's such aggressively bad writing. I haven't noticed it being particularly gendered but I'll keep an eye out (and also it's such an immediate back-button in general that I probably don't see a lot of examples tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

*speaking of heroes or main characters I mean. Dumb villains are often just stupid and petty, but that's different.

[(Anonymous)]

Or at least, very rarely are male characters dumb specifically to make the heroine look more competent, clever, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm kind of torn. On the one hand, it would've been pretty cool for the reasons you said. On the other hand, I feel like Jedi twins was a little too predictable.

[(Anonymous)]

It happens to villains a lot, big dumb brute male villain with snarky snappy female heroine, but rarely to the other male heroes or good guys.

[(Anonymous)]

I would point out that this doesn't make you a bad music fan at all

But I also get the sense that this is maybe a secret that's here to fill up numbers so *shrug*

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. It'd get sporked no matter what, but the fact that Whedon touts himself as a feminist and creator of strong female characters... well. The man gets a lot of hate, but I think in this case the criticism of that script is not unwarranted.

[(Anonymous)]

Why I prefer fma:b over fma

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, I don't think it makes you a bad fan. I miss listening to the radio, to be honest. But radio isn't as interesting and the playlists aren't as diverse as they used to be, so you're pretty much left with services like Spotify.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I agree it's bad. I think OP was talking more about the people who go "this script is bad and therefore is proof that everything and anything Whedon has ever done is horrible and nobody should ever enjoy anything ever done by him" which is going a little further than mocking the script though.

And I say this as someone who hasn't enjoyed anything by him.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's only a problem if they're not open about it.

I have two blatant self-inserts from different times in my life (pre diagnosis when deep in depression and post recovery). They're different enough characters, and have different designs. Only the latter looks a lot like me.

Even then, I feel if you can separate characters enough to accept criticism on the character, you need to learn. We can't create a character exactly like ourselves because we don't go around interviewing people who know us. I don't recognize all my tics. In the end, it's still a view of yourself, like characters based on people the author knows. The only difference is it's an internal view.

[(Anonymous)]

I think big dumb villain vs. snarky, snappy protagonist is a general theme whether the protagonist is male OR female, so I'm not sure that's the best example.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

As much as I love Jaina (...and only really her), the whole twins thing would be weird again. Then again, twins do run in families, but people don't always keep real biology in mind in those cases.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Regardless if it's gendered or if a person feels like this gendered stereotype is a major issue, it's simply poor writing. If you can't formulate a credible, interesting plot without giving characters a sudden case of the terminal stupids, that's a failure on the author's part.

[(Anonymous)]

I find that it happens much more often when the hero is less physically strong than the villain, which happens more often to female heroes than male ones.

[(Anonymous)]

It also seems to happen a lot when characters are fridged. It's like once the writer has decided to kill a character off for the sake of the plot/emotion they can't even be bothered to give her a heroic death, or one that completes her character arc in some way, or even one where she makes the bad decision that gets her killed for good reasons, rather than just the writer just not caring about the character beyond the effect her death will have on the hero.

[(Anonymous)]

I approve of the image choice, secret maker :D.

As for the secret itself, yeah, I get that. Sometimes the fandom is the main thing that keeps people in touch, and when they drift away, it does make it harder to really connect over anything else.

And on a broader note, it's just sad to see a community of fans go quiet in general, too.

What has the internet lied to you about?

[(Anonymous)]

is there something the seemed like the collective internet raved about, but you didn't like?

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhh. I mean David vs. Goliath is one of the earliest and oldest stories we have of a small hero vs. a big strong villain and it's a whole trope.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DavidVersusGoliath