[ SECRET POST #3954 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3954 ⌋

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[fscom]

02. https://i.imgur.com/dr9D6qz.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

But anon, that's exactly what you're doing right now

it is literally exactly what you are doing right now

[(Anonymous)]

OMG, you must be a Moffat hater! I know this because Moffat haters just can't seem to understand that my opinions are the only valid ones. Nice try, Moffat hater!

[(Anonymous)]

...right? It's so obvious I'm tempted to call troll.

[(Anonymous)]

It might be some people's opinion that Moffat had a good run with DW but the facts are that the stories sometimes contradicted themselves and the ratings were abysmal.

I tend to assume Moffat lovers are American because DW grew in popularity over there with Eleven. But the opinions of Americans are meaningless for BBC shows. They can buy them but they don't fund them. Moffat seemed to forget that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not au fait with the business practices of the BBC - is it really the case that BBC Worldwide makes no contribution to the BBC budget or production costs?

I understand that the remit of the BBC as an institution is about making stuff for license payers, but that's not quite the same as talking about funding streams, is it?

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't get why people lie on then internet when a quick google search shows how full of shit they are.

The first 4 Moffat seasons had the same ratings the RTD ones had, it's only the latest two that dropped. So yeah, sorry to burst your hate bubble, but most people enjoyed most of Moffat's run.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm an American Again Moffat. Hater who gave him too many chances and now will give no more!


p l s f i r e h i m b b c

[(Anonymous)]

People say that Moffat is problematic and I've seen some things that he's said that are yeah, kind of problematic. But I like Sherlock and I don't spend all that much time thinking about producers.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't speak for DW, but my issue with Sherlock isn't necessarily that it's problematic (though I don't disagree that it is), my issue is that it's very poorly written. Even the first two seasons which fans insist are great are just...so so. They probably only look good compared to the Christmas special and series 3.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I can't decide if this is ironic and hilarious or trolly and lame.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, like, but it's a fact that Moffat blows. Trufax. You could look it up, in the Dictionary of Earth.
[/sarcasm]

I don't suppose I'm a Moffat hater. I can see some tropes in his work that disappoint me, like other television creators. I'd say he's not as ridiculous as J.J. Abrams, and not quite as sharp overall as Joss Whedon. Wait, am I allowed to not insult Joss Whedon? OK, not as sharp as D.C. Fontana, although that's comparing apple turnover to muskmelons.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, people who spend their time on earth actively and unproductively hating on stuff that has little real world consequence are people I want little to do with.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no dog in this Moffat race, 'cause I've never seen any of his work, but I agree with this comment in general. Life's way too short, so I'd rather focus on discussing entertainment-related things I love instead.

(That's not to say one can't still have critiques of things they love, mind, 'cause of course they can, but there's a difference between critique and flat out hate-watching/ranting.)

[a_potato]

This is a cool comment, because it points to the difference between hating something and being a hater.

You can think "I dislike this" or "I hate this," and have reasons for it, but then go on with your life and choose not to spend time dwelling on it. Or, you can proceed to launch a crusade, and devote all sorts of time and energy and mental space to the thing, a thing that you don't even like.

There's stuff that's worth being a hater about, but TV (probably) isn't it.

[(Anonymous)]

He ruins everything he touches. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. :)

P.S. Watch this video if you really want to enjoy some well-thought-through Moffat criticism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkoGBOs5ecM

The sheer reasonableness of the video pounds home the point harder than anything I could ever say in my Moffat-hating heart. Enjoy. :D You'll never look at your problematic fave the same way again.

[(Anonymous)]

Moffat haters are some of the worst zealots I've met in the past.

To be fair there is a ton of valid criticisms for his writing. Moffat does a lot of shit wrong but he also does things right, and it should be recognized when he gets things right. Moffat haters are people who are understandably frustrated with Moffat's many pratfalls but have taken things too far and now refuse to see the talent and quality in his material. With every single thing he writes they are 100% certain that they will hate it, and human beings are nothing if not adept at proving themselves right. Even when he does something objectively phenomenal they will convince themselves it was shit and that everybody hated it.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I never got the DW related Moff-hate. I think that while it did take him a little while to find his footing and there were a few episodes I'd rather forget, but there were a few with RTD as well. I think the last few series with Twelve were pretty solid and the first series with 11.



Now, Sherlock on the other hand. *groans* (So maybe it's either Gatiss's input or Moftiss as a collective unit that I have serious issues with)

I always found so much problematic, gross, sloppy, and just bad about Sherlock, but everyone seemed to be praising the hell out of that while sh*tting on Moffatt's DW.

Sure there may have been some sexist moments with Amy, Clara, and River. But at least they were allowed to have arcs and exist as characters in their own right (as opposed to Molly "sweet wallflower" Hooper and Mrs. " maternal extension of her male tenants" Hudson who basically existed for Sherlock and John to occasionally deign to interact with.

And that's to say nothing of the disgusting treatment of the Irene Adler arc and the grossly racist Yellow Peril episode of 1x02.

But for some reason, everyone acted like Sherlock was "serious" television that you couldn't dare to criticize. Meanwhile, DW was always a bit of a space opera, so people felt more justified in criticizing the direction it took. (Like how "serious" film nerds will tear you apart for criticizing Fight Club but have no issues picking a fight about over a minor plot hole in Star Trek III.)

Thank god, people have finally started to recognize that Sherlock is a plot-whole heavy, self-important piece of cr*p that people only liked because it was "edgy" and/or there was a teeny tiny chance that moderately attractive white males might kiss or something.

At least, Dr. Who had some nice uplifting episodes and a few great moments for its female characters. Sherlock just angered and depressed me.

[4thofeleven]

Only a Moffat-hater deals in absolutes.

[(Anonymous)]

OH THE IRONY

[(Anonymous)]

I like Moffat... in small doses. When he does a one off or a short story, he's great. Let him have the reins in the long term though, and he feels like he has to keep one upping himself or something. He makes it revolve around some super convoluted (probably poorly explained) ultra dramatic plot then tops that in the next season/story arc with even more drama, and then tops THAT with extra ultra drama, and then tops THAT with super ultra doom drama... and it never ends. It just keeps spiraling in and in on itself until half of makes zero sense (because DRAMA must come before logic or plot consistency) and you're just exhausted and sick of it.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate Moffat because that fuckng gasmask zombie gave a stupid phobia my friends mock me for, so fuck him, I'm never watching anything else he did

[(Anonymous)]

Moff haters are fucking hilarious. They're so fucking mad that people enjoy a show that they don't. All that STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE IT'S BAD BECAUSE I SAY SO is just pathetic.

[(Anonymous)]

I would rather have a conversation with a group of Moffat haters who all have valid criticisms than a group of people who are going out of their way to suck his dick and talk about how "phenomenal" a writer he is, and that "you just don't understand!" or "you just want to hate it because it's popular!!" when you can see by the dullness in their eyes that they're only doing it to prove that they're soooo different from and soooo much better than the haters.

[(Anonymous)]

The sheer polarization in the comments is something else. It's almost like...people can have...different opinions of the same work...that are both logical opinions???