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I find this very doubtful.

More like, if there were 1/2 the public outcry that there was about Spacey, he'd also be long gone. But there wasn't.

It's not a gay thing, it's a money thing.

Masterson was, in fact, removed from The Ranch. It just happened after anon submitted the secret. They commented about it in gencom a little while ago, I think.

I see. I still don't think "straightness" was a reason for hesitation.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-09 00:17 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-09 00:17 (UTC) - Expand

WRONG. It isn't a money thing or a gay thing. It WAS a Scientology thing. Masterson is a Scientologist. They have a lot of pull in Hollywood and law enforcement.

So then why did they decide to fire him

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-09 03:15 (UTC) - Expand

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feotakahari - 2017-12-09 00:41 (UTC) - Expand

This is the secret that anon was talking about earlier! About how things changed and they felt they would look stupid.

That's where my thought went immediately too.

I had been wondering what the real life events were that would have changed the secret when you brought it up the other day, since it didn't sound like it was a matter of someone dying.

I just realized that too!

I know that this secret was made before Masterson was taken off of The Ranch.

But I also think that this was almost certainly a bad take even before that happened. At the very least, it was a wildly premature take. I don't want to ding you for having been overtaken by events, but.

Although, this just in, Masterson got fired from The Ranch a few days ago. I know, OP prob submitted this long before that, just thought people would be interested in the good news

Outdated secret, I know. But Netflix has several shows with main gay and lesbian characters. I doubt they have a problem with homosexuality.

Eh, you can want someone's money and still have a problem with them.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-09 19:26 (UTC) - Expand

I thought House of Cards was on its last season anyway.

wow this secret is out of date.

I don't know about the Netflix side of things. I think unfortunately Spacey being a piece of shit did fire up a lot of homophobes who hadn't said shit about any other accusations until a gay man was involved, so even if its off base I can't blame OP for being uncomfortable about that. Of course not all of the response was that, but I certainly saw it, so maybe OP did to and is now looking for it everywhere. It happens.

Though also I think Spacey's absolute shitshow response didn't help anything.

I do think that to some extent Weinstein and Spacey being "acceptable targets" to parts of American society who might otherwise not have cared or paid attention to the stories did play a role in the current atmosphere taking off the way it did.

At the same time, that's a million miles away from being an actual defense of Weinstein or Spacey.

House of Cards had already announced its final season and that season is still going to happen, just without Spacey.

Considering the allegations against Masterson were made in March and only now is he being written out of The Ranch, well the second half of season 2 (the first half was already filmed), there was a more of a delay there.

But, I think this may have more to do momentum (the public actually paying more attention and speaking out against it, now) and possibly some good old fashioned misogyny (it's my impression that the men speaking out seem to have been believed pretty quickly while it took a while with the women), but yeah, some homophobia could be at play.

Well, but also, part of the reason that these cases play out differently is because of various details specific to each case. I'm not sure it's enough to simply say "it's homophobia, everyone believes men, no one believes women". It also has a lot to do with the specific allegations and sources. So, for instance, with Masterson, you have Scientology as an organization devoting a massive amount of resources to try to get him off the hook for this stuff, which I imagine makes it harder to come to grips with.

Do I think that Netflix is morally upright and legitimately concerned with its probity as a company? Not really. But I think it's simplistic to just say it's because of sexism or homophobia or what have you.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-09 09:28 (UTC) - Expand

Masterson's gone, good.

But, a big complication with Spacey is that he was executive producer and a creative director. Now that Old Vic is admitting that they were sitting on over a dozen complaints about Spacey over the span of a few decades, I'm willing to bet he was forced out because someone working at House of Cards, probably a production assistant, filed a complaint.

I would assume it was more because the stories started actually getting reported on and publicized?

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cbrachyrhynchos - 2017-12-09 02:32 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-09 07:34 (UTC) - Expand

I read this (I found offensive) article stating that the only reason Kevin Spacey was taken seriously was because of the 'gay' factor. This didn't take into account the rumours that have been around Spacey for years about being creepy and sexually harassing men and that nothing was done (A couple of friends of mine were in the theatre community in London around five years ago and even then there were rumours that if you were a young man, keep clear of handsy Spacey.)

I agree with a lot of the OPs here that it took so long for Netflix to fire Masterson because of his Scientology link. Glad they finally did though!

There's also the matter of Bryan Spacey. Strong rumours of sexual assault of teenage boys. Still (at this point) weasling his way out of any blame, by using his lawyers to countersue and threaten anyone making a complaint. He's been fired from his recent Freddy Mercury film directing gig for 'clashing' on set. Again, like Spacey, these rumours have persisted for years and nothing still has been done about them.

I believe that the power that the abuser holds and the circumstances surrounding the abuse is the factor in what happens to them, over the gender of their victims.

Yes - Rapp may not be as big a star as Spacey, but he has some name recognition. While I don't want to underestimate the courage it required for him to come forward, and it's good for everyone's sake that he had a bit more power and was able to use it, he was more likely to be believed and listened to than a struggling actor or a production assistant no-one has heard of.

News editors buried stories about Spacey's sexuality and habitual sexual harassment for over a decade because:

1. "Outing is wrong."
2. Spacey was represented by a high-power agency that threatened to blacklist publications reporting on the issue.

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