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It's been a few days, have a lot of you been able to see it? I know we had a thread on Friday but maybe more of you can join the discussion now!

I can't see it until this coming Friday. It is frustrating me. I want to see it so bad.

I thought it was overall pretty good, though I do think it got kind of long and clunky. When climactic scenes happened, the movie just kept going. A lot of what happened also didn't end up being important. Still, it had a few interesting twists and I liked a lot of the character dynamics.

1. Rose was cute, but the whole Finn/Rose subplot ended up being pointless. But I do get that failure was meant to be a constant theme here. It was kind of a shame that for all the humor in the movie, John Boyega was given none of it. He has great comedic timing, but Rose ended up being sillier than him, not that they had much good humor to work with. No opinion on whether or not it'll be a canon (two-sided) ship. I guess I wasn't quite invested enough in it yet.
2. Rey NOT having important parents... was a fantastic reveal. I know a lot of fans hated this, but I think it was the best thing they could've done and made for the best twist. The prequel trilogy had really gone the whole "Force sensitivity is GENETIC" and the Skywalker family dynasty is important and all, but Kylo is already filling that role. Rey being a nobody is cool.
3. Loved Snoke twist dying, and the Rey/Kylo fight. Not sure what it ended up accomplishing though, since Kylo went out of it suddenly deciding for sure he was the Big Bad and was happy to kill anyone/everyone. I like Kylo well enough as a character, but so far he's not quite holding it for me as the Big Bad. But he also has gone too far for any redemption arc that doesn't involve his death/self sacrifice. I was honestly kind of disappointed in Luke and Leia. Leia, as a mother - it felt weird to have her just dismiss Ben as dead. And Luke, as his teacher and supposedly wise Jedi, should have been a little more... sage-like instead of all "go fuck yourself, Kylo". It's one thing to know when you have to put a dangerous person down, but their attitudes surprised me.
4. Phasma... what is the point of her? Is she just supposed to be Boba Fett, a character with minimal screen time that looks cool?
5. I don't think Luke is dead. I'll be kind of disappointed if he is. There was no point in him pulling that trick and then ending up dead after all. Plus, considering Carrie died irl, and probably won't be much in the next film, they are much better off keeping Luke.
6. I also hate to say this, but Leia is underwhelming to me. That includes Carrie's acting. I'm sorry. I like that she's there. But she just wasn't interesting. The whole subplot with the other admiral lady and Poe was a little frustrating, because it felt like drama that could've been avoiding with a little bit of clear communication. At any rate, Leia. I thought she'd somehow clock out this film, Carrie's death considering, but Leia is still very much in the game. How will they handle it next film?
7. Light speed kamikaze was awesome though, but it's one of those things that kind of makes you wonder why they don't just do that all the time. Especially if they can get droids to man the ships and avoid casualties.

No ships. Or rather, the only ship I'm kind of curious about is Poe/Finn. Rey/Kylo is mildly interesting, especially if they aren't related after all.

I was so happy to see Phasma! I am almost certain that she was in the film only because fans were pissed that Gwendolyn Christie was so wasted in TFA and were left believing she'd been killed in a trash compactor. Fans have been saying for two years the actress deserves better than that and now it's finally happened. Although during the fight scene I'm positive it was someone else in her costume because Gwendolyn is a graceful fighter and her character's position would mean she would know how to fight but the person in the suit was beyond terrible. Very wooden, bad timing, just painful to watch.

2. Same! I was thrilled in the theater - this universe has enough Skywalkers running around, we needed a powerful Force-sensitive character who was just some nobody from a junk planet.

4. Maybe she comes back in the third movie...? There was a lot of hype around Phasma that ultimately went nowhere, so hopefully there's more payoff later. She wouldn't be the first person to reappear after a should-be fatal scene.

5. I really hope he is. He wanted to go out on his terms, helping his sister and friends. Him dying while looking at the twin setting suns was a mirror for how he was first introduced, it would be strange if he was brought back after that.

Rey's "reveal" was shitty and flew COMPLETELY in the face of TFA.

That and Kylo is lying. He is a manipulative asshole.

I went to see it today, it was fun.

Could have done with a better plot for Finn because that whole casino bit was completely pointless, like I think it helped to make the movie feel like 20 mins longer than it needed to be.

Rose was cute af and I want to see where she ends up by the end of it all. Major feelings for her over her sister though, that was sad. :(

Finn vs Phasma was awesome but a little shoe-horned, I mean tbh that's the fight that should have happened last movie, but whatever it was really cool and I'll take Finn kicking-ass in general so whatever really.

The Rey and Kylo fight was cool, remains to be seen what will happen with the force-bind thing next movie though.

I'm not sure if I was supposed to be laughing at red-haired guy for most of the movie but I was, his failed attempts at getting anything done tickled me.

That fucking hyperspeed ship-ramming, like holy fuck that was a spectacular piece of cinema.

I liked Poe more this time around, but he had like actual shit to do and stuff so we got to see his character more.

Luke+Leia reunion was sweet.

Finn+Rey reunion was also sweet af.

The porgs are fucking adorable and I want one.

I'm not invested enough ship-wise to be super die-hard about any of them so my Finn/Rey and Finn/Poe heart was made happy by many scenes, and the potential of Finn/Rose is cute if they decide to go there. So I'm good.

The red-haired guy (Hux, I think?) is really the punching bag of the film. lol Opening scene, he gets trolled, and he's constantly put down and bullied by Snoke and Kylo as well. He's got a rough time of it. I liked the scene where he was just about to kill an unconscious Kylo. I mean, he should've done it, shit is not working out for him with Kylo holding the reigns. Honestly, Kylo isn't mentally stable enough to be the leader and the entire First Order knows it. If this were a realistic organization, I'm sure there'd be massive concerns that all that matters to be Emperor is the ability to force-choke your way to the top. Not that red-haired dude is a particularly charismatic leader either.

Everyone was sassing him and generally giving him a hard time and it was fantastic.

Oh for sure, like dude take the shot, you know Kylo isn't able to lead this army properly, your entire group knows this. Just end it here and lead without pesky Jedi because they always complicate shit. But at the same time Kylo undermining the guy was funny so, I'll take it.

I think Hux is .... not underrated, but I enjoy him on the screen, I even liked him in TFA.

I can barely remember him being in the first movie honestly, but I don't find him to be a terrible character or anything he's just not one I care for that much outside of finding it funny that he couldn't get shit done at all.

I actually hated seeing Hux as comic relief. He should be a terrifying and formidable villain with whom the heroes have to contend. Seeing Poe as Tony Stark felt very out of place in a Star Wars film and most of the humour in general just felt very MCU. And Kylo Ren's already shaky credibility as a super villain was greatly undermined by his childish spats with Hux.

Kylo's childish spats with Hux are at least in-keeping with what he was like from the first movie, the guy has temper tantrums like a toddler tbh. Albeit more violent and murderous ones.

But hey if the rest of it didn't work for you that's cool. I was fine with it but ymmv and all that.

I hate this because I hate second hand embarrassment and cringe humour and especially if it's done to characters I find interesting.
And yes, the humour was very "let's copy the annoying MCU trend of 'Every remark has to be a snappy one-liner'".

Kylo was having childish spats with Hux in TFA though? I'd argue that his credibility can't be undermined by his doing the same thing he's always done. He's a whiny-ass man-baby. It's ironic that he's so obsessed with Darth Vader when he's really just out-Anakining Anakin. I'm sure he has very important opinions on sand.

They took up a lot more screentime in this movie IMO. I actually wondered as I was watching it in the theater whether they'd added in more bickering because they realized fans had liked their pettiness in the first movie.

Kylo in TFA was literally a laughable villain but it wasn't completely unforgivable since it was the first in a trilogy and we had Snoke. Kylo's tantrum when Snoke tells him to lose the mask would have been the only call back to TFA if not for the playground spats with Hux. TLJ needed to establish Kylo as the big bad and it failed.

I enjoyed it immensely, even the R*ylo teasing, except for a few things;

* Why are Kylo Ren's pants so high.

* People change and grow, but movie Amilyn =/= book Amilyn, and I was disappointed.

* Rose and Finn were great, and I LOVED that chase scene, and the idea is that everyone FAILS in this movie, but their plotline is the only one where no one learned anything or grew.

Yeah on your last point. I actually kinda enjoyed the casino scenes, because I like seeing a variety of settings and it's rare occasion we get to see any place in Star Wars that is non-military and also not a jungle. What is the galaxy like for other people? And Rose and Finn were fun to watch. But their "failure" wasn't really useful, because neither grew as characters. Neither really had anything to grow toward, to be honest. And sure, they failed, but not really from any of their own flaws. Yeah, they took a risk hiring the random convict dude, but they didn't really have options at that point. Plus, the guy basically hired himself when he and BB8 saved them during the chase. They did their best and made logical choices and took informed risks.

The movie definitely played up Poe's flaws (contrasted with Leia who was maybe on the flip side was too hesitant to take risks), and Rey's darkness, and Luke's, and obviously Kylo's many issues. But Finn had nothing to work with, and it's even harder for Rose, who was a new character.

I have a question for anyone that saw it. When Snoke revealed he was the one who'd bridged Rey and Kylo, did he say something about manipulation or indicate in any way that what they saw as what he wanted them to see? Because my husband and I both got that impression but no one else seems to have. We left the cinema thinking that Kylo believed he saw her parents and thought he was telling her the truth but what he saw was what Snoke wanted him to see. Kylo not being able to see Rey's surroundings might actually support that, depending on Snoke's specific abilities with the Force, which of course we don't know and apparently never will.

I saw this in a video - Snoke only had enough talent to make a bridge; Kylo couldn't see Rey's surroundings, just her (Though that kind of doesn't explain why his glove was wet at one point?), when Luke had the talent to fucking fight in his astral projecting.

So I don't think so.

AYRT

I think Kylo's glove had to do with his growing abilities/strength with the Force. The more they connected, the stronger he grew. It's late and I have a headache so I can't swear the same is true for Rey but I want to say we saw something indicating it was true for her, too.

Thanks for answering that for me! I didn't like the film as much as I wanted to but the backlash and my own questions make me want to see it again.

I did. Everything was manufactured. And I considering kylo was tge one to "reveal" her parents makes it suspect anyway.

Especially considering he seemed to know Rey in TFA. Hell ALL the Solos did. She's not a nobody.

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