[ SECRET POST #4044 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4044 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

what shows are the people in these comments watching because like, i dont even watch much television and i can pick a recent comedy/drama out of a hat that will guaranteed have queer characters in it

[(Anonymous)]

Name some then

[(Anonymous)]

you mean aside from the 8 the OP mentioned? When We Rise, Runaways, Black Lightning, Star Trek Discovery, Dear White People, Riverdale, The Exorcist, Wynnona Earp, Mr. Robot, Grace and Frankie, Jane the Virgin, Gotham, How to Get Away with Murder, Halt and Catch Fire... these are just like a FEW from the past 3-4 years. do you need more

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, i do need more

Because the fact of the matter is, shows that don't have queer characters are dozens upon dozens. And most shows that have queer characters usually have them in secondary parts if not utterly minor ones. Making it out to seem as if queer characters are represented in a fashion many queer people want (complex with their own plots and stories that don't entirely rely on their sexuality or gender while not entirely ignoring that such things do factor into their lives) is being willfully obtuse.

[(Anonymous)]

here you go, bitch! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dramatic_television_series_with_LGBT_characters

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Star Trek: Discovery
Brooklyn Nine Nine
Black Lighting
Crazy Ex Girlfriend
Grown-Ish
Legends of Tomorrow
Supergirl
Elementary
Madam Secretary
Steven Universe

[(Anonymous)]

Black Sails
The Shannara Chronicles

New character in MacGuyver reboot states she doesn't sleep with men or women who she's working with, so bisexual.

But I don't think all or enough shows have enough queer representation and "just watch this show, not the show you like aside from not enough queer characters" isn't really helpful.

Also asexual representation is even more difficult to find, Shadowhunters aside.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I agree that we need more characters. But a lot of fandom isn't really interested in representation, they're using the issue of representation to support arguments for their favorite ship.

And I'm not certain how surprising people with a late-season sexuality reveal when the characters were never developed with that in mind would be good representation anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

https://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1754013.html?thread=985234077#cmt985234077

Plus what the OP listed, although I'm not familiar with all of those shows.

Also The 100 (the main character, Clarke, plus there is (was when I watched it, so presumably still is?) a male couple). House (Remy/13) and The Good Wife (Kalinda), Person of Interest (Shaw/Root), Grey's Anatomy (Callie/Arizona) if older examples work. Grown-ish, although that is a show in its first season, so IDK how well it will do and if it will get a second season. And I'm sure there are more both that I'm not thinking of and that I don't know of because I don't watch a lot of television.

I disagree with the OP that most shows have queer characters, but it's not like there are none of them.

[(Anonymous)]

older fandoms that are worth checking out

Nolan Ross, Revenge, not only in name but shown to have relationships onscreen with men and women.

Micheletto, The Borgias, it didn't end well for his lovers but he was canonically gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Nicole on Fresh Off the Boat!

[(Anonymous)]

There are a lot but they're not quite as ubiquitous as OP makes out

[(Anonymous)]

i definitely disagree lol maybe theyre not the focus, which is fair to make a judgment about, but if there's a show with an ensemble cast there's sure to be queer characters in the mix

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. Depends on the network.

[(Anonymous)]

Just having queer characters in the mix doesn't cut it for me. When their storylines are always overshadowed by the straight characters' storylines and the series is still plagued by an ever-growing heterosexual romantic plot tumor, it's almost more frustrating than not having any queer characters at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree that there needs to be more queer main characters. As a lesbian, I'm always thrilled to see more representation. But I also disagree that queer people's stories are always overshadowed by the straight characters' storylines and the series is still plagued by an ever-growing heterosexual romantic plot tumor. I can think of three examples off of the top of my head with Supergirl (okay, so Alex isn't the lead, and I've not watched this season yet, as it isn't on Netflix yet, but last season Alex's relationship got as much or more time than Kara's), The 100 (the lead character is bi and has had major relationships with girls, and it's not like hetero romances dominate the rest), and The Fosters (many of the main cast). Plus, if you are willing to go with older shows, Person of Interest (which I just binged on Netflix and in which of the four main characters, the only two in a serious relationship are the women, Root and Shaw). I'm sure there are more. Especially as I tend to watch shows with a strong female presence, so I don't watch that much.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't deny that there are shows where queer relationships are given the screentime they deserve. (Though those are often flawed in different ways.) But that's not the case for many of the shows that have been recommended in the comment thread for this secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Just because a show has queer characters doesn't mean it won't have queer baiting. See every popular CW show ever.

[(Anonymous)]

So like Supergirl, The 100, and Arrow (at least when I watched with Sara, I could be wrong and they did it later)?

I don't deny shows have this issue, like I've heard stories of things that TPTB put in regarding Dean and Castiel in recent seasons, but hyperbole, like saying that every popular CW show ever queerbaits despite having gay characters, doesn't help the point.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't been in SPN for years and never bought into destiel because SPN fandom is a whole other level of crazy but yeah. It is the showrunners fault. they encourage this type of shit in their fandoms but double down on just gals being pals for supergirl and riverdale (or fuck even once upon a time which is a different network but they baited the fuck out of swan queen shippers and Milan/aurora. I don't care that they have LGBT characters, because okay good for them that's not an excuse to continue baiting people. It doesn't just magically cancel out teasing fans and laughing at them when they are let down.

The solution is simple: don't blame the fans, blame the show runners and maybe have them stop fucking queerbaiting. Jesus Christ why is this a hard concept to grasp.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
I'm not saying it isn't the showrunners' fault when they queerbait. I'm saying that it doesn't happen in every show. While you are saying that all showrunners for CW shows bait fans then laugh at them. Shows decidedly aren't perfect. I want more representation. I'd love for a variety of queer characters on a variety of shows. But when you say that it is every show, then it is easy for people to disprove you and say that the issue doesn't exist at all because they disproved you. The issue does exist. And it shouldn't. It just isn't ubiquitous like you are making it out to be.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Pedantic people will argue that point no matter what, though.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRTf
True. But I'd really prefer not to make it easy for them to do so. There are so many issues with representation in shows on television. I'd prefer not to paint all shows with the same brush and instead point out the issues while also pointing out the shows that are doing good things and hope that maybe, somehow, sometime people will change. I am old enough that honestly I'm really encouraged by what I see now versus what I saw growing up. I know it's not perfect. It's far from perfect. But it's a start and hopefully a trend that will continue. I would love for the next generation to have an amazing set of complex characters of all possible variety, including great queer representation. Lambasting everyone, including the shows doing some good things won't accomplish that.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't say all shows. I said popular CW shows. And it's true. Their most popular shows did it. What is the CW known for until maybe the last 5 years? Supernatural. What shows are they known for now? Riverdale, Supergirl, Arrow, Teen Wolf, etc.. all except MAYBE arrow (because that show is so stuck in olicity hell) have had varying degrees of queerbaiting.

It doesn't make my statement any less true and by going but not all shows!!! Is derailing when I never said that to begin with.

[(Anonymous)]

"...they baited the fuck out of swan queen shippers"

LOL. No.

Just because Swen think that every time Emma and Regina are in the same room they want to tear each other's clothes off doesn't mean that the narrative supported that interpretation in any way. And A&E and JMO were always open about the fact that it wasn't and would NEVER be canon.